But I am here now, so "hi!" :D 

Ricky you are such a bitch, u can't see a new man in the house :p

Hi MisYu, we need a SP Quake from you... no more dm's :p 

go back sleep to hell
also hello, and how's qurnel? 

stop being so nice to people, it doesn't suit you. 

you're great!
wait...,
miss you.
indeed,
welcome back.
stayed too long.
untrue,
how are you? 

 

... eh ! 

http://www.rathergood.com/content/small_worlds/small_worlds.swf

As far as I can tell, the entire game is just about exploring each level. Pretty cool concept and music, no challenge, yet. 

nice map for a quoth remake :)

http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/viewtopic.php?id=4402 

http://www.polycount.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=47

If anyone is interested. Mixed in with some BRAWL contest so look for the TF2 in the thread title. 

/me is still rolling....rolling on chrome 22s.... 

That was really cool. I hope he does more with it... 

What's goin down in Oslo? 

I presume you've seen the news??

:(

I presume czg is okay although someone said he was back in Sweden anyway. 

I lived in Oslo for a few months it's a really nice place with very friendly people, can't think of anywhere less deserving really :( 

I don't watch the news. 

Was on my way home from work sitting on the tram, about half a mile or so from where the bomb exploded (Nationaltheatret station, for those who know Oslo), and heard an audible "thud". I first thought the tram had rammed a car or something, but it kept driving so I didn't think any more of it. As it drove deeper into central Oslo though, fire alarms could be heard, masses of people were gathered around, some were running and crying. I thought maybe there is a fire or something, but when I noticed loads of ambulances, fire trucks and civilian police vehicles with sirens blazing, I definitely knew something was up. Then someone on the tram checked out the news on their cellphone, and told us that the governmental quarters had been blown up. Checked out the news myself when I got home, and even though it was obviously quite fucked up, I can't say I didn't except such events to never occur in our country. Some people are just crazy enough to perform such acts to make a political statement, whatever it might be and regardless of whether they're a national or international citizen.

It wasn't until later when I heard about the shooting spree that I understood something way more terrible was taking place, and that this wasn't an act of political terrorism - just pure evil insanity. When I went to bed that night the death toll for both the bomb and the shooting was at 17 people, which still is unheard of in this country - but when I woke up the next morning and watched the news and the anchor said that the death toll from the shooting had rised to 84, I couldn't believe my ears. I was sure I had misheard him, so I went online to check it out - turns out it was right.

Completely fucked up, can't believe someone could possibly hate our country or our political system to such a degree that they would be willing to do something like this. I ain't personally affected or know anyone that is affected by the attacks, but I feel deeply sad for everyone that does.

And according to the perpetrator's "manifesto" that's floating around online, an arrest and subsequent trial could be used as further means to propel his propaganda bullshit talk. I think the best course of action would be to hold the trial behind locked doors, away from the media and public eye so he can't spout his bullshit to everyone, and then lock him away forever and forget about him, so he won't gain the satisfaction of seeing his message sent out to everyone. He can rot away, forgotten, while the rest of us move on and continue to work for a stable society and open democracy. 

Looking away is not what strengthens society. Exposing the errors in his mindset and providing ways of help to lead people like him on the "right" path will. It is a bad plan to lock away criminals, instead it should be tried to heal/fix them and the underlying problems. 

And it is the media's responsibility to handle situations like this in appropriate ways. Which they failed to do right from the beginning. 

I agree that providing rehabilitation for criminals and getting them back into society as working and providing members is the correct course of action, it's one of the strengths of our juridical system in my opinion. Exposing his mindset, trying to steer other people away from going down the same path he did. Still, even if he was completely rehabilitated and released, which seems unlikely (especially regarding some of the stuff in his manifesto of craziness), he killed almost 100 people. Even if he got a namechange and/or plastic surgery or whatever, people would find out, and I don't think it'd be unlikely to expect a lynch mob.

And yes, the media haven't really handled this situation appropratiely. Like one of the members of AUF present at the island said, the media attempted to call them on their cells even when they should have been perfectly aware of the fact that they were attempting to hide, or at least used a little bit of common sense. 

this man shouldn't be given a forum to spread his ideas. Not only would that be intolerable for the families of his victims, it would also not serve any purpose. By now we know what kind of ideology he's a disciple of. Let others explain the details, but don't give him the satisfaction of or attention he wants.

Also, Spirit, while in general I agree with you, I don't think a man like this can be reintegrated into society. Not only would he be lynched, as Berntsen said, he would also be too high a risk to be released into society again. A man who is capable of committing mass murder on such a scale can not ever be trusted again. He has forfeited the right to be a part of society, even if he ever wanted to be. Also I cannot see how a man like this can ever repay his debt to society. His guilt weighs too heavy. He belongs behind bars or in a mental hospital for the rest of his life. 

Spreading bad ideas

vs.

Creating a martyrdom and signaling that openness only applies as long as your ideas conform.

I believe I have to vote against keeping things locked away and hidden though because it will make it possible to counter and dismantle his message. If you let it become some mysterious ideas that are to dangerous to let into the light you leave the field open for many more to abuse the cover-up for their own purposes.

The real harm is already done and I think that increased understanding of the background would do more good than increase the danger of future acts of violence. 

what I wrote if you are referring to me. I didn't say that there should not be a discussion and dismantling of his message. I just said that the shooter should not be given a forum by allowing to publicly justify or explain himself. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech or openness to ideas because those extend only so far as the speaker does not openly threaten democracy by his acts or words. Democracy has a right to defend itself. Again, I'm not saying that there should not be a public debate, only that the shooter himself cannot and should not be allowed to participate.

I'm also all for investigating the background of why the shooter hunted and killed more than 80 teenagers, although I doubt that we will learn anything useful there. Quite frankly, I think this man is insane and he will use any opportunity to publicly spill his bullshit out into the world. And that's probably just what he wanted all along, too, because otherwise he'd probably have committed suicide instead of giving up. So why allow him to speak publicly? 

So why allow him to speak publicly?

There are two possibilities here, regarding that the main idea of the guy was to explain the world his motivations:

1/ either you mute him in order to prevent from propagating his shitty motivations

2/or you allow him to debate, but then it is quite risky as a public audience is exactly what he is looking for in order to propagate his message

Well, whatever you do, there is a risk to consider this is either censorship, or too much lax....

What is the less worst option then ? 

They should just shoot the fucker, or hang him publicly or something.