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It's Like Criticising A Certain Mod!
#20212 posted by Spirit on 2011/03/24 17:10:03
Learning something is better than learning nothing. Flash might be a controverse subject, but if it taught you a bit about design and logic = good. Dreamweaver, I don't know. Seems very pointless to me.
Dreamweaver Is Really Usefull, I'll Tell You Why:
#20213 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/24 17:46:57
If I have a menu (or two menus) on every page, and there are 50 pages to my static website, and I want to edit one of the menus, then if I have placed them originally into each age as Library Items, then I cn jus dit the one library item sepeately, and them Dreamweaver will place the new menu into each of the 50 pages automatically.
I can also make a blank layout and then save it as template, import library items into the template, then I can make a new page (.html), place my template into that page, and the page is forever tied to the template and the library items. One clickcustom page creation!
I know that php etc can be used for dynamic web-page creation, but that is getting into the realms of web-apps, which I WANT to learn, but it takes time, y'know?
Other than those things, Dreamweaver is a good text-editor with good auto-complete funtionality and advanced find/replace features.
I dunno - I liked it :) I was using notepad before remember? Having a nice GUI with all of my CSS rules on display when I need them is useful, I cant knock the program either. And you can use it to make .js files, .php files and a whole bunch of stuff that I dont understand ;)
Also:
jt_, SleepwalkR, Kinn, everyone else, seiously thanks for the suggestions. You are not trolls :) sozx
God This Keyboard Sucks
#20214 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/24 17:47:35
Ricky
#20215 posted by starbuck on 2011/03/24 18:45:39
What's your goal? Programming full-time? In what area? Games, web apps, mobile apps?
Work out what you want and then there are great immediate things to do that'll get you closer to that.
If you want to do web-development, back-end stuff, then probably go learn Ruby. http://tryruby.org/ is a great start, a nice interactive tutorial.
After that, go to http://railsforzombies.org/ and do that tutorial. It'll take you through building a Twitter-style social network for zombies.
Do a couple more tutorials, then you're probably at the level where you can find someone to do a project with. http://www.builditwith.me/ is supposed to be good, link up with a designer and make a web app. Alternatively, go to a tech meetup in the area, it's incredibly easy to find people to collaborate with there. Now you've got a web app in your portfolio! Maybe it'll make money!
Flash
#20216 posted by starbuck on 2011/03/24 18:57:06
If you're into Flash to be a programmer, then go make a game, it'll be good practice. If you finish something cool then it'd be a good portfolio piece to show your game designer skills if that's a route you're going for.
If you're into it to be a web-designer, then go really learn your design fundamentals, grids, colour theory, typography, first.
There are really very few projects where a flash intro is going to be the right choice right now, and most likely, there'll be less in the future with HTML5 coming through. You really don't want to be left behind with this stuff. I have nothing personal against Dreamweaver or Flash by the way, used them a lot in the past, but nowadays they're pretty marginalised.
It sounds like you've learned some HTML skills, and some scripting basics, and you're putting effort in, so that's a awesome start mate. Just make sure you're using your time wisely!
My Goal
#20217 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/25 04:17:29
Is to make money! I would like to be able to hopefully get a job working for a web design company, increase my skills base and gain some experience, with a view to gaining the ability to make larger and more lucrative websites or systems and make larger paychecks. OR get into anything really, just as long as I'm learning more skills which I can use to make money. I think that making games is probably a lot more fun than learning networking systems, but I just dont know which is the more sensible thing to persue at this time. Hell - anything to do with IT would be better for me than general admin/PA work I'm doing now. I just want to get into something with prospects, which I can really master and get paid for. Then I want to get pregnant, buy a house and a car etc and start a family :)
But seriously - I want to get some proper training in programming. Learn how to make games with Flash, Java, everything. Learn how to make programs to do specific things.
I suppose I have answered my own question really (there's that stream of consciousness) - I want to do what SleepwalkR and Kinn said - bite the bullet and learn how to code! The question is basically do I go for a databasing course and learn how to put some real fire into my practical web-design capabilities? Or do I go for the probably less boring and more stimulating Flash or Java coding and learn how to make games and whatnot? Flash seems liek a good idea for that option because I am already familiar with the interface, but Java could be much more useful down the line by the sounds of it.
So I suppose it should maybe be Java AND databasing (Python, Pearl, Ruby as stated above). But in what order? Which is best for a n00b to learn? My heart says Java (because making simple games and stuff could be great fun).
I am literally at a crossroads in my life, I'm pondering this realtime, with intent! Advice? Other than what has already been said?
Thanks again all, Starbuck :)
Python Is Easy To Learn
#20218 posted by jt_ on 2011/03/25 04:24:10
What Can It Do?
#20219 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/25 04:26:39
In layman's terms ;)
Ricky
#20220 posted by nitin on 2011/03/25 04:33:18
I think the most important question is, do you have time? If so, you could try a few different things to see what works best. If not, I think the fundamentals approach 9ie the boring stuff) suggested is better.
It Can Do Plenty Of Things
#20221 posted by jt_ on 2011/03/25 04:45:39
There's plenty of big companies using it (google[1]), and it has a wide variety of applications.
[1]http://www.python.org/about/quotes/
Well, There's A Lot Of Money In Mobile...
#20222 posted by mwh on 2011/03/25 05:47:32
... and THE smartphone doesn't support flash. So, um, ...
Learn web design (which means learning general design a bit of course), learn javascript, learn something server side (python, ruby, etc). Play around with them all a bit, then dive deeper into what takes your fancy the most?
THE Smartphone
#20223 posted by jt_ on 2011/03/25 05:52:48
What would that be? There's more phones in the wild that run android now than apple can shake a stick at.
A Proper Scripting Language
#20224 posted by SleepwalkR on 2011/03/25 06:41:37
Is a very good way to learn programming, yeah. I would agree that it's also much quicker to learn than java. But don't let it be PHP.
OK, Python Looks Like The One To Start With
#20225 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/25 12:02:08
I've been reading the beginners guide, and I like the part where it shows the Java and Python versions of the "Hello World!" exercise:
Java:
class Hello {
public static void main (String[] args) {
System.out.println ("Hello, world.");
}
}
Python:
print "Hello, World!"
This is reminding me very much of BBC Basic already ;)
Learn General Programming Skills
#20226 posted by bear on 2011/03/25 12:34:32
What language you choose isn't that important, you should probably learn a few actually just to make sure you don't get your mind locked into a too narrow way of thinking. Learn about common data structures and techniques that can be used in all(or most) languages.
Knowing a language is just s start though, another large part is getting familiar with the libraries/frameworks that goes with the platform and language of your choice.
Anyway
#20227 posted by bear on 2011/03/25 12:44:37
the important thing like any journey is that you get started.
Learn to cast your programming spells as we enter the age of magic.
Just Go Balls Deep
#20228 posted by Kinn on 2011/03/25 13:47:35
And start with C++
It might be a bit of a learning curve at first but you will thank yourself later.
Kinn++ :-P
#20229 posted by SleepwalkR on 2011/03/25 14:09:51
Yeah - That's Probably Good Advice Too
#20230 posted by RickyT33 on 2011/03/25 15:08:58
But I think that learning some of the theory on Python will give me an edge towards comprehending some of the C++ stuff. I tried to learn C++ once before and after the second chapter it got REALLY REALLY confusing for me.
This morning I have been reading (and trying in the Python Command Prompt) this ebook:
http://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/python/english2e/index.html
And I'm actually 100% on what I have read so far!
Or If You Wanna Have Some Fun
#20231 posted by Kinn on 2011/03/25 16:14:02
with a nice, easy-to-learn but powerful language in a managed environment, AND do some game dev to boot:
1) Get Visual C-Sharp Express (it's free)
2) Get XNA Game Studio (it's free)
3) Program XNA games using C-Sharp
It's super-awesome. I've been doing it for 2 years now. And you might even make some $$$
http://create.msdn.com/en-US/
Cooping In Quake
#20232 posted by quakis on 2011/03/26 03:58:57
Surprised it worked out, been playing through Travail with a friend and we completed the first episode so far. Been a while since I played the pack, so it's still somewhat fresh to me thankfully.
Only problem is the friendly fire. No matter what setting the host puts it on (fitzquake) we can still damage each other which isn't so fun to have a grenade accidentally shot to the face. ;_;
#20233 posted by Spirit on 2011/03/26 09:57:02
I think you need to be on the same team or wear the same colours.
Yep
#20234 posted by rj on 2011/03/26 11:40:54
set 'teamplay 1' then both set 'color x y' so y is the same for each player - x can be whatever (any number between 0-13 if you didn't know).. then you may have to restart the game (possibly)
q1 coop is awesome. not played it in ages :|
#20235 posted by necros on 2011/03/26 19:23:28
just pants colour, iirc.
Tronyn
#20236 posted by negke on 2011/03/27 17:30:32
If you want An Old Evil listed on Quaddiced, tell me the cheat codes ffs! What an asshole mod - incredibly hard AND regular cheats disabled. Nice shotgun though.
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