jt_++

Flash is the wrong tool for the job 90% of the time. There are very few cases where the use of flash is justified. 

It depends what the job is.

Flash has some great uses, otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent. 

90% of the time if an add doesn't have flash in it then it's not a real add. 

Flashpunk seems like a good starting point with a fair amount of getting started videos.

Html5 and javascript is probably the way things are moving though... 

If it didn't suck so much. Even on my core i7, with 8gb of ram, flash can heat it up. Not to mention all of the security vulnerabilities that flash has, &c. 

In light of jt_ and SleepwalkR's trolling, but I dont know if it's gonna be easy. I might have to commit suicide for another two wasted years of my life. 

And it has a typo, too: independant!!

"Ruminant Nutritionist" sounds like a good name for map, though. :D 

A cow is a bit like a walking fermentation tank.... 

Naturally 

The flash stuff isn't really necessary for the site, but it's not annoying, either. It may even make it a bit more appealing than how I imagine other sites of this kind/purpose to be. 

I want to learn more about server-side technology, databasing, php, sql, apache?, definitely java, how to spell proper etc...

Just takes time and guidance. I have touble knowing where to start with learning this stuff, but i am understanding bits and bobs as I go along. 

http://tbagri.co.uk/ 

Ricky, you are an idiot for investing time and money in a technology that is going to disappear in a few years. There's your trolling. 

If you want to learn server side, ditch flash and that stuff and learn to program properly first. Java is a good way to go if you want a job, the Java eco system is huge and has lots and lots of opportunities. It can be a bit daunting at first though because there is LOTs of frameworks, libraries, tools etc. out there. Maybe start with something simpler (Ruby on Rails for example) and work your way up.

I can't recommend PHP because even though it is pretty easy to learn, it's a shit language with a shit library on top of a shit engine. It's good for prototyping stuff and small projects, but it's not the way to go if you are interested in really learning to program and how server side stuff works. Yeah yeah, lots of large sites are built with PHP. That's because those sites started out as small projects (of non-programmers) or prototypes and evolved from there. It's not what a serious engineer would do though. 

If what I said about flash was considerred trolling, i won't comment on java. I will provide a link though. 

That was nice of you. I'm just not likeing the unpleasant way you speak to me. It seems very scathing. I did a course in Dreamweaver and Flash, I'm trying to get some certificates. And hopefully get into a career in IT. I'm not in a situation where going to a University and embelishing myself with lots of money and time is an option! And I managed to get my employer to pay for the course because they get a website out of it. So having some guy who you look up to because you already know he knows more than you do call you an idiot, and rubbing the salt into the wound, well, it makes me feel bad.
I mean I know I need to learn more stuff, but teaching yourself something like a server-side programming language, or anything that resembles C++ is, like you say, quite daunting, and I want to start learning it.

I mean atleast with the Flash course I'm learning to use a GUI which incorporates visual elements with programming elements. Im learnign a bit of scrip here, and a bit of script there, and understanding how they they work from a practiacal perspective.

Anyhway I'm just glad I've got the certificates on the way, and that I have gained a bit of confidence (which I'm trying to defend) and may now, hopefully, be able to learn something else now. The question is what? 

That was nice of you. I'm just not likeing the unpleasant way you speak to me. It seems very scathing. I did a course in Dreamweaver and Flash, I'm trying to get some certificates. And hopefully get into a career in IT. I'm not in a situation where going to a University and embelishing myself with lots of money and time is an option! And I managed to get my employer to pay for the course because they get a website out of it. So having some guy who you look up to because you already know he knows more than you do call you an idiot, and rubbing the salt into the wound, well, it makes me feel bad.
I mean I know I need to learn more stuff, but teaching yourself something like a server-side programming language, or anything that resembles C++ is, like you say, quite daunting, and I want to start learning it.

I mean atleast with the Flash course I'm learning to use a GUI which incorporates visual elements with programming elements. Im learnign a bit of scrip here, and a bit of script there, and understanding how they they work from a practiacal perspective.

Anyhway I'm just glad I've got the certificates on the way, and that I have gained a bit of confidence (which I'm trying to defend) and may now, hopefully, be able to learn something else now. The question is what? 

 

But getting certificates in Dreamweaver/Flash or whatever is probably a complete waste of time from an IT career point of view; you'll be much better off just biting the bullet and start learning to code. Like Sleepwalkr said. 

Dreamweaver is a great tool for making static webpages. And 'IT Career' is SOOOO general, it's like your comment denies the existence of Dreamweaver and Flash (?), which are useful things to know if you were making webpages for small businesses, or tried to get a job working for a company which makes webpages for small businesses. Which could be lucrative.

Learning to code is a complete waste of time if you never need to use it! I mean Dreamweaver allows you to make practical uses out of a lot of Javascript without having to learn Javascript.

Im still gald I got the certificate because atleast it shows that I can see things through to completion, that's got to be worth something! 

need courses and university to become a decent programmer. All the resources are available online for free. Also before you called me a troll I never made a comment about your taking a course or getting certificates - I was commenting on how flash is used on most websites, and that I believe it's mostly used in stupid ways.

Then you called me a troll and I called you an idiot ;-). And then I went on and gave you some advice on how you can get started learning server side programming.

Anyways - Dreamweaver and Flash will not get you started in an IT career. Those are design and GUI tools. If you learned some HTML, then that's a good thing. But if you want a career in IT, you must learn to program. And for that, Java is a good option because it is relatively easy to learn and the ecosystem is huge.

jt_, what exactly were you trying to say? That you don't like Java because someone compiled a list of quotes that diss it? I agree with some of those quotes, but what is your advice to someone who wants to get started in IT, esp. server side programming? To learn C? Or Smalltalk? The only alternative would be C# and ASP.NET.

Java has lots of faults and problems, but it's the most commonly used programming language in enterprise programming. And for all its faults (most of which are related to the JRE / VM and not the language itself), the language as such is relatively easy to learn and very versatile. 

I guess it's just a question of where in the IT food chain you want to be. 

In with the fatuous quotes.

"There are two kinds of languages. The ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses." 

The links at the bottom of that page are more helpful than the quotes. ;)

My advice for someone who wants to get into IT is to learn some scripting langauge like python, perl, or ruby (in that order), and learn how to use unix (maybe become a rhce). From there, speciaize on something (networking, web/mail server administration, &c). 

Learning something is better than learning nothing. Flash might be a controverse subject, but if it taught you a bit about design and logic = good. Dreamweaver, I don't know. Seems very pointless to me.