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Started off very promising, wonderful soundtrack and very well created post-apocalyptic/nuclear atmosphere.
Well, it's a b-movie so I should have expected less.
The style is very very nice but the story becomes bad.
Watch it if you like such movies. At least the intro and the shown content (as machinery, gimmicks, stuff) is worth it. 

see, everyone's trying to invalidate my opinion of this movie predicated on whether or not I went in the first place.

This movie offends me by existing. I'm almost glad I did see it so I know it needs to be hated. 

hating an insignificant kids movie? 

I don't care if Mel's anti-semitic. This was a damn good movie. 

See it for the tiananmen square illustration.

You'll know. 

it seemed to encompass EVERYTHING that is wrong with hollywood blockbusters

Definitely. This movie could have been a solid cartoon adaption, but wtf? To me it almost seemed to have been deliberately made stupid.

Starbuck: word! 

One could say it was a proper "sigh-fi" movie... 

I deliberately chose to go and see Transformers out of my own free will.

It was very mildly entertaining nonsense.

And yes deliberately stupid. 

some one needs to edit the hell out of it leaving only the robots and the action scenes.
then it would be really nice movie :)

I enjoyed the action and pretty much looked away during the idiotic 'human' parts 

The other thing that pissed me off about it was the fact that the camera was always way to close to actually see wtf was happening half the time!

If the rest of the movie had been shot in the same great way as the 3 or 4 slo-mo shots you see throughout then it would have been so much better! 

Transformers was cool, last movie i saw was last week and was disturbia very nice movie :) 

yes! i agree completly! it's an often overlooked (or not even noticed, surprisingly) thing, but the ridiculous use of close shots without any far shots to orient yourself and see where things are taking place was extremly irritating.
at the last big fight, i pretty much just started rolling my eyes at the stupidity of it. 

A woman moves to a new environment, meets a handsome man of high standing but they can't be together, something tragic happens to the woman and she leaves for good, the man loses some of his status in a hardship, the woman unexpectedly inherits a huge fortune, the couple meet again and all is different and love can blossom ever after.

Produced with good actors and style, often making and enjoying watching. There are variations of course, depends on when the books were written and how classical they are, and there are varying amounts of subplots. 

I exactly and completely agree with you. Like I wrote earlier, the zoomed in camera sucks because you can't orient yourself at all and can't build any anticipation or sense what is where. 

i mean "i have no fucking idea what just happened"-fast - like in tomb raider - suck ass, too. 

even the one scene where all the autobots meet up and transform near the middle of the movie, the camera is ridiculously close to optimus, and then pans by so fast from one to the other that you barely see anything.

seriously, i think they just realised that it would be possible to make proper transformation, so they just fudged it to look ok, and blew the camera by so fast so no one would notice...

of course, i've noticed this 'extreme close up' technique a lot for a few years now, so i *should* be used to it by now, but what can i say; it drives me nuts. :P 

you guys do know that Michael Bay sucks, right? 

http://www.avp-r.com/trailer.html 

Normally with these kind of big budget action movies they at least make the trailer look nice, but here even that looks shit. =) 

effects look pretty good, trailer looks kind of bad but there's no one good involved by the looks of it, biggest star they've got is Michelle Dessler from 24 (reiko aylesworth?).

Man, how good would this have been if it was directed by James Cameron, had some actual real actors in it and was called Alien 5 (or Alien 3, pretending Alien 3, Resurrection and vs. Predator never happened). I would cream myself. 

for Alien 3 is floating online somewhere. I only read the first third of it, but it seemed to be more interesting than what Alien 3 become, involving a full scale war on Earth between the aliens. 

I think Alien 3 rocks, so there. 

much more grim then the second, Aliens which I didn't like. A Summer box office action flick lacking the raw verve of the first one.

I just read where Ridley Scott has stated that science fiction movies are dead. WTF?!? There as yet been a movie made from the works of Samuel Delany, Roger Zelazny, Gene Wolfe, Kate Wilhelm, Damon Knight, L Sprague DeCamp, Cordwainer Smith, Richard McKenna, Theodore Sturgeon, Jack Vance, Keith Roberts, Brian Aldis, Joe Haldeman, Alfred Bester, Howard Waldrop, Lucius Shepard, Michael Swannick, Connie Willis, Bruce Stirling, James Tiptree Jr., R A Lafferty, Joanna Russ, Pat Cadigan, George Alec Effinger, or Gregory Benford just to name a few authors off the top of my head who have written excellent novels and novelas that could translate into movies.

As far as I am concerned Science Fiction is a genre that Hollywood has yet to tap. 

they could wait for a few decent screenwriters to cook up a good sci-fi script, then they don't have to butcher any classic novels. :) 

I agree with you, but honestly, most good sci-fi books wouldn't really make good movies...
Since where talking about Fincher and Sci-fi movies, he is working on Rendezvous with Rama. I haven't been dissapointed with Fincher yet, and Rama is a nice book, so hopefully the movie will rock.