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Easy/Normal only, but yeah. Original design required three swims on Easy/Normal/Hard, but sock and mfx convinced me of a lot of ways I didn't realize I was being skill-2 cruel across all 3.
That tunnel was actually already there and largely purposeless - I'd put it in purely because speedrunning that map would suck otherwise (requires hidden start map GL). Making it a shortcut gave it an actual reason to exist. Eye door = use Ring of Shadows
Lava = use Pentagram of Protection Yellow Forcefield = use Quad (I used rockets) These powerups also respawn on the altars invisible brush triggers when the ring is picked up and for the time of ring being active (x seconds) there is another invisible brush triggering the eye door shutting temporarly re/moved very fast, I assume
Map sources are included for you to learn all the secrets, but: target_items can block/allow a trigger based on anything in the player's inventory. In this case, IT_INVISIBILITY. although, I think this might also not work right in Coop if an invisible client gets the one 'touch' for the trigger this frame
The quad gate is a target_heal, which is there for healing pools or other effects but doesn't care what it's targeted at, including doors. The player can't out-DPS it without a Quad. Two players working in tandem can probably screw this up too. There's no way to cheese swimming in lava without a Pentagram, though. Patch is done. I swear I didn't forget anything this time. I even tested the
http://lunaran.com/copper/download.html http://lunaran.com/files/copper105.zip UDOB had to be updated, since some back-compat fixes broke a couple little things in Copper maps, so please redownload the maps too (if you want). Since nobody's released any Copper maps yet, this was my last chance to make map-breaking fixes. http://lunaran.com/files/udob.zip (If a mod could update the OP to mention the latest version being v1.05 I would appreciate it!) Here's a big spammy list of all the stuff I fixed. As you'll notice, iw helped a huge amount with finding bugs and suggesting/providing fixed code, and is a hero. - Enforcer laser damage reduced from 15 to 12, to help compensate for their more aggressive firing pattern - Monster backpacks make the original ammo pickup sound, and the extended pickup noise is only for pre-placed item_backpacks - PAK0.PAK renamed to pak0.pak to play nice with case-sensitive operating systems - Shamblers no longer fire lightning at cockeyed angles when their target is invisible - Downed zombies who've had doors or crushers invade their personal space no longer become non-solid (id1 bug) - Projectiles no longer have a random chance of nullifying a Fiend's leap in midair (id1 bug) - The land-on-head protection delay of Fiends, Dogs, and Spawns will no longer cause them to fail to damage a player on impact if they've just glanced off of something else - False positives related to the Ring of Shadows in monster attack checks fixed, so monsters always infer theplayer's presence from his real origin while always trying to attack his fake one - Weapon pickups fire their targets the first time they're touched in Coop, then forget them, so maps which fire important triggers from weapon pickups aren't broken if everyone already has the weapon - Chthon should be less likely to instantly snipe the player when they teleport the moment a lavaball is thrown - Quad axe no longer corrupts monster flags or sends Shub flying (thanks to Ian 'iw' Walshaw for these fixes) - func_trains now require a spawnflag to inherit speed from their pathcorners, and the keyvalue for settingdefault corner wait time has changed from 'wait' to 'pausetime' to avoid conflicts with stale 'wait' keyson various id and custom maps (e3m3, e4m5, k1m3) (thanks again to iw for running interference on thisissue and patching all my mistakes) - Added a developer warning when a trigger spawned monster can't be triggered by anything (more thanks to iw) - Player can now jump while standing in the same depth of water as /id1 (iw again) - Door wait times are no longer set improperly in the -1 case (E3M7 zombie pit platform) (iw) - Intentionally prevented use of boss_death10 killcount hack, as it was only ever used to balance the rotfish killcount bug, which was already fixed (iw) - Trigger_relay no longer objerror()s if not targeted (is a warning in Fitz+ but an error in stock engines,which caused them to crash e1m5 & e1m6) (iw) - Items which are targeted and killtargeted by the same entity no longer fail to spawn (E4M2 'fake' items) (iw) - Fixed some monsters (Enforcers, Scrags) being able to see and attack the player while in water, causedby arcane conditional failures in engine trace behavior. is this the last bug in traceline2? only the shadow knows - Spikeshooters that are triggered more frequently than their 'delay' no longer fail to ever fire (iw) - Changed late monster/secret stat updates to MSG_ALL (iw) - Monsters do their drop to floor test late enough to be properly positioned on movers that don't start at their zero point, important if the movers start in lava/slime (iw for president) - Fixed runaway loop error in bbin1 caused by item spawn code (iw is now my husband) - Biosuit lava protection max depth changed to 16 units (used to be 24, which seemed too deep, and the above water jump fix made it grow to 28) - 'light_lev is not a field' spam in developer mode silenced - Powerup sounds are now always precached so sounds aren't broken when using powerup impulses (registeredQuake has fewer total sounds in it than the original - Doors with a +0/+a animated texture don't desync animation state when blocked or triggered repeatedly - Fog change entities now work for all clients, not just player 1 - Gibbing a fish no longer makes bubbles - dev_trigger and dev_invoke cheats no longer work in multiplayer - Added 'trigger_inventory' to address the fact that a trigger_multiple targeting a target_items to test for a player's stats/inventory only works for the first client due to default trigger touch logic - Numerous - Fixed typo in Chthon death notification That's not the right link. The old link is the right link.
http://www.lunaran.com/files/copper.zip (Old versions of copper and udob are in /files/old/copper1.0/) updated the thread. I am confused still about which link is the right link, but the OP just points to your download page so it should be fine.
Wouldn't it make more sense if a fiend were to kill the player by landing directly on their head?
While not fun,it could be useful.....maybe for a horror mod.Maybe. It's clearly a bug in the code though. It happens so rarely that it's not something the player can get used to or anticipate when it happens either, so you just get "what the fuck, why did i die?" instead of "darn it, I failed to dodge the fiend's well-communicated special insta-death attack again that's totally different to his usual jump attack".
The teleporter secret in e3m5 does not seem to work with this new version (1.05). I tried with the version quake injector downloads and vanilla witch both worked. I launched the game (1.05) with a new shortcut with -game copper and the problem persisted.
@A_COC0NUT: I'm not sure why e3m5 is giving you trouble -- if I play e3m5 with Copper 1.05, all secrets work as expected. I'm testing with QuakeSpasm 0.93.1.
If you could give a bit more info, I might be able to help diagnose. My first questions would be: * Which engine are you playing with (and what version number)? * e3m5 has two secrets with teleporters: the first secret, which is in the hallway with the flashing lights, and the last secret, which is in the room with the exit portal. Which one isn't working for you? * When you say the teleporter secret doesn't seem to work, do you mean that the teleporter is failing to teleport the player, or something else? sorry I was a bit too vague. It is the first secret in the flashing hall. The teleporter in the secret does not trigger. I am using VKQuake 1.01. Thanks for any help.
@A_COC0NUT: this is just a guess, but are you by any chance loading a saved game on e3m5?
If so, could you try letting QuakeGuy die, so that the level restarts, and see if the teleporter works after that? Thanks. I feel like an ass now since that is such an obvious thing to try in the troubleshooting process. It works now.
There's no reason to feel like an ass; you've raised an important point, which wasn't obvious, and which might affect other people, too.
The underlying issue seems to be that Copper v1.05 is not backwards-compatible with saved games from Copper v1.00. Based on your description, my hunch was that you had saved your game with Copper v1.00, then installed v1.05, then loaded the saved game. If I do this, I can recreate the problem you described in e3m5. Unfortunately, because v1.05 makes a number of behind-the-scenes changes to the code, if a v1.00 save is loaded, some things (like teleporters, evidently) will go out of sync. I expect this would affect saves for any map. The reason I suggested dying and restarting the level is that that will refresh the state of everything in the current level, which will likely fix issues in most cases (though it may not fix all issues in all cases). I should emphasize that the lack of save-game compatibility is not a mistake on Lunaran's part. Because of the way Quake save-games work, it's practically impossible to make significant changes to a mod without breaking save-game compatibility. And there were some significant changes in Copper's code between v1.00 and v1.05. However, I think the fact that v1.05 is not backwards-compatible with v1.00 save-games is not documented anywhere at present? Lunaran, would it be worth pointing this out to players, if only as a note on the download page or something? Yeah, that's a good point. Demos probably aren't compatible either. I've updated the downloads page to mention this.
Regarding Fiends on heads: one of the reasons the land-on-head kill seems like a bug is that it's framerate dependent. Damage happened every frame a touch was called for, which meant more instant death when the engine can call those touches more frequently. It's worth noting that Fiends (or other leaping melees) landing on your head is still very dangerous. If you don't dodge in time and you do wind up in a stacked bounding box situation, the damage still happens every 200ms, which in a Fiend's case is ~240dps (as opposed to every 14ms, for a ridiculous ~3200dps). That's still pretty scary, but a fraction of a second is actually a decent reaction window in Quake - enough time to get out from under the thing before your situation gets too bad. It's so rare, though, nor is it really obvious why bounding boxes that touch in two different planes should cause such drastically different outcomes. In the last 2 weeks I've played the episode through once. Here is the result of my efforts! That's a complete 100% through run. Right now I'm playing the end level, which you have to load separately.
Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Trapped in the Past - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=TKv2p2PCSvQ&ar=1565359947258 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Space Jam - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=ITIh8f8bVSg&ar=1565360204415 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - House of Pain - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=NW6dQn4gxQo&ar=1565360291493 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Pit of the Living Dead - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=Tt2LhQgoPKQ&ar=1565360326749 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - A Saint Nobody Has Heard Of - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=s7WxJ2IrT3o&ar=1565360355113 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Last Waltz - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=18wo23KLoII&ar=1565360382057 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - How Deep Is Your Lava - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=WlQiff7bgNs&ar=1565360412285 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - A Drowning - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=Ii1n8RtCxxU&ar=1565360259269 Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Trapped in the Past - [100%]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKv2p2PCSvQ&t=241s Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Space Jam - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIh8f8bVSg Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - House of Pain - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW6dQn4gxQo&t=53s Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Pit of the Living Dead - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2LhQgoPKQ&t=351s Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - A Saint Nobody Has Heard Of - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7WxJ2IrT3o&t=190s Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - Last Waltz - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18wo23KLoII Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - How Deep Is Your Lava - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlQiff7bgNs Copper Quake - Underdark Overbright - A Drowning - [100%] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii1n8RtCxxU
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