Re #166
#168 posted by
Joel B on 2014/05/22 21:06:38
Yeah the secrets comment wasn't in comparison to czg07. Bad phrasing on my part.
Yeah
#169 posted by
ijed on 2014/05/22 22:25:22
But watching the video again I realise the same mechanic was being experimented with throughout.
It's just that YA is the clearest (best?) example.
Very cool stuff.
In Fact
#170 posted by
ijed on 2014/05/22 22:25:59
Daz, why not just do videos of CZGs maps from now on?
CZG - you'll need to step up production!
#172 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/05/23 09:23:09
ijed, I noticed it on another run-through in a few other places, too, you're right.
There's also a clear moment in czg03 when you feel yourself graduate from living mainly on the lower level to living mainly on the upper level, and that moment is grabbing the gold key. You've been up some stairs briefly before, but never stayed up there long before the layout demoted you again. After the gold key door, you pass through every major atrium you've already been to, exclusively via the upper decks you've seen but never visited, all the way around to the silver key and the first fight atop the bloody crown.
Returning to the first halls leading up to the silver door feels a bit like returning as a conquering hero, because you've since been elevated to mastery of the space ...
Another Thing
#173 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/05/23 09:50:03
Every time you retrace your steps a second time, you do it in the same direction you did the first time. Your forward movement is never arrested, and you never turn around.
- From the opening area beneath the combat crown, up the embankment and down the hall to the main room: first time at the start of the map, second time traveling from the silver key crown ambush to the silver door.
- Along the rocky shore to the bloody pentagram door (or the 'not quite gold key door'): the closed door diverts you up the stairs behind you, which meanders through the mid-height reaches of that side of the map, leading to a button. That button opens the pentagram door, and if you run right over it and off the ledge, you land back on the rocky shore headed straight for the door again.
- From inside the gold key tower toward the gold key door: first time, you pass the gold key cage in the tower, then the gold key door after it diverts you onto a lower path. Second time, you've come around to grab the gold key from within the bars, which rise, and the gold door is literally in sight right down the same corridor.
These moments feel like you're returning to a shorter "main" path from a brief diversion, but because your movement is always forward into new areas it never feels like a diversion at the time.
That's a consequence, of course, of giving the player precisely zero choices, but if you want a map to be linear and not feel that way, czg03 is an object lesson in how to do that.
fuuuck this map is so good
Oh My God
#174 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/05/23 10:08:24
those three loops the player makes
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#176 posted by
Spirit on 2014/05/23 10:17:28
Now I can't wait to see your reaction when you realise that Honey was named after CZG's memories of a bear ceremonially circling his depths in a sleepless night until he was numb.
All Of This Is Of Course Completely Intentional.
#177 posted by
czg on 2014/05/23 11:01:52
At First I Thought
#179 posted by
ijed on 2014/05/23 13:20:05
That the circles referred to the bloody crown, but realized that made no sense when first playing. Then I came to the same conclusion, that the name refers to the loops made by the critical path.
This got me looking at czg07 more and drawing out the loops involved in those maps.
It's all circles! This got me mapping by drawing blobby sketches at the start.
#180 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/05/23 18:46:07
All Of This Is Of Course Completely Intentional
CZG IS THE GOD OF SPACE
In Other Words, He's A...
#181 posted by
- on 2014/05/23 21:19:11
Metal Monstrosity
#184 posted by
DaZ on 2014/06/02 18:34:36
All I Could Think Of For The Whole Video
#185 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/06/03 04:28:02
Yeah Not A Lot
#186 posted by
nitin on 2014/06/03 05:51:08
just watch some movies and tv and slept.
#187 posted by
skacky on 2014/06/03 07:56:49
That Blackadder episode is funny as hell, especially the dialogue between Bob and her father.
Flap Your Lips
#188 posted by
DaZ on 2014/07/06 01:41:59
Ok, so I want to start a new video series called "Developer Commentary" where I play through a level with the mapper present on skype and we talk about the design of the map (and laugh at my Quake skills).
If you are interested in doing this with me then please get in contact with me either here, or email, or anywhere really :)
Can be a Quake map, Half-life/2 map or any game really. I just need to own the game so I can actually play the level!
If anyone would be willing to go through a "beta" phase where I test all the recording setups and skype config etc that would be awesome.
I Was Wondering When You'd Do This
#189 posted by
Lunaran on 2014/07/06 02:41:24
I'd happily point out everything I now hate about LunSP1 while you fall off ledges.
I Can Help Out
#191 posted by
ijed on 2014/07/06 06:09:10
Sometime soon, not sure when.
Probable Architecture Boner
#192 posted by
DaZ on 2014/07/09 14:55:37