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Posted by Shambler on 2017/11/14 21:26:44 |
Wonder If A Specific Retro-shooter Thread Is Warranted?
#10166 posted by Shambler [92.29.26.135] on 2017/08/27 11:32:00
It is! Separate thread because there's a lot of these sort of games, the ethos of them is particularly relevant to this board, and it's inhabitants seem to have some good varying opinions on the matter.
Quake as the eptiome as 90s action FPS:
Very direct control and physics
Simple streamlined gameplay
Brutal visceral and gory
Weird fantasy / gothic / industrial theme
Grungy, coherent graphics
Cool map designs / architecture (for the time)
Varied but consistent bestiary
Etc
(many of the above adhered to and greatly enhanced by subsequent custom content)
We all like these aspects, we all like these aspects in other games, we all want to see more of those games, possibly combined with modern graphical styles (Quake Chumpions MAPS might be an example of how far this could go) and maybe very limited modern additions (crouching? an inventory? coherent story? - but nothing that gets in the way of solid action). We perhaps want the next Quake / 90s action FPS spiritual successor...
Modern Retro Shooters:
...and lo, there's a neverending stream of modern retro games many of which are unabashedly marketting themselves as 90s action FPS spiritual successors and particularly highlighting speed, direct control, simple action, limitless violence. Do they have what it takes to hit that mark though??
Strafe
http://store.steampowered.com/app/442780/STRAFE_Millennium_Edition/
Amid Evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wo7X7b6pPng
Dusk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsu9uDMlIMM
Hellbound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyabhVn1SfQ
Apocryph
http://store.steampowered.com/app/596240/Apocryph_an_oldschool_shooter/
Ion Maiden
https://twitter.com/voidpnt
Neverdead
http://store.steampowered.com/app/681000/NEVRDEAD/
Gorescript
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpZ1Wa0OIoQ
Intrude
https://bagogames.com/intrude-review/
Hermodr
http://store.steampowered.com/app/490360/Hermodr/
Devil Daggers
http://store.steampowered.com/app/422970/Devil_Daggers/
Gibhard
http://www.gibhard.com
Revulsion
http://store.steampowered.com/app/719180/Revulsion/
Witchfire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zqjNkdXT94
PLUS MANY MORE LINKED IN THE THREAD BELOW....
Without wanting to opine too much, there seems to be a general trend of possibly not hitting the mark despite some attempts to do so, with a huge variety in how much potential those attempts show, as well as how close these games are to realising the overall harmonious game quality of a typical best 90s action FPS. I.e. Some games seem to do some aspects right, but don't seem to get all the aspects in balance and appealing together.
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Anons Please Stop Posting Stuff That Is Off-topic Trolling.
#151 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/26 11:11:47
#152 posted by eukara on 2018/02/27 02:42:58
The Wastes at least runs on a Pentium II with a Viper V550. I would not recommend it though. GL 1.4 or higher definitely recommended.
Well hellbound looks like a tarted up mobile phone game
#154 posted by [Kona] on 2018/02/28 02:50:14
Just looking over all the games linked in this thread, they're all shit. Complete fucking shit. Just looking at that Dusk gameplay video above, god damn look at the barn and corn fields!! If anyone made something like that in Quake it'd be deleted off my hdd instantly.
Anything that might even look remotely okay and as if it's actually been "designed" or have okay graphics, will wreck it with retarded Serious Sam gameplay. Because that's what all the born in the 2000s indie kids think 90s games were like.
Witchfire looks decent, but I would hold my judgement on that until further into development. The team have only done one little 1 hr mod that wasn't even that great. Trailer looks awesome but can they keep up the quality over an entire game? Will the game even play like that?
Devil Daggers looks like a college students tech-demo project made while on acid, not an actual game. But at least we're getting closer to 90s style games compared to what we had 10 years ago when there was nothing.
Kona.
#155 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/28 10:37:40
Based on some of the dung games you actively choose to play and review on here, I trust your experience of "complete fucking shit" and tend to agree with that post :)
I can't agree more. DUSK is such a toxic, septic pile of trash. I question the good taste and mental faculties of anyone who finds anything about it remotely passable.
We truly are in the darkest timeline, where the "90s fps revival" we wanted is a continous stream of pixellated, worse-looking-than-Postal diarrhea from millenials with art history degrees. Box rooms with "art" of sub-doom quality and fidelity are now being tagged as "quake inspired" and shared with hundreds of retweets. What would have been absolute shovelware 15-20 years ago is being gushed about by "game" "journalists", an absolute subspecies of homo sapiens. I can only hope that when the neocon world order engineered by Milton Friedman & co collapses all those bearded, beanie wearing fucks will be put the against the wall by the proles in the first order.
It makes me pray for a worldwide socioeconomic crisis, that's how much of an affront against the senses DUSK is.
Hard To Disagree There, Otp
#157 posted by Kinn on 2018/02/28 14:09:05
Also, don't forget chiptunes. Because as everyone knows back in the impossibly ancient 1990s Quake, Unreal, Half-Life etc. were just ALL about chiptunes!
#158 posted by Tribal on 2018/02/28 14:43:25
I don't know if somebody already post this, but this is Hellscreen. The page says "Hellscreen is a single player level based FPS, in the fast, frantic style of classic games from the 1990s (such as Doom, Quake, Unreal)"
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/171000943/hellscreen-90s-style-fps-video-game
oh, man... it's just another arena with waves of monsters chasing the player... of course it can be fun to play, but it has nothing to do with doom, quake or unreal. it doesn't look like or feel like any 90's game. why the developers can't just say "it's a pixelated FPS"?
Well Called Tribal.
#159 posted by Shambler on 2018/02/28 15:15:31
Still there looks to be a fair chance for a typically uninspiring one man "tech" demo non-game to be not funded in time.
Lol
#160 posted by starbuck on 2018/02/28 15:34:02
ouch. I basically agree with all of that, it doesn't look fun to play or authentically 90s.
At the same time, i think he's made quite a cool aesthetic, it doesn't completely fail, although it does look completely headache inducing.
Saviour ?
#161 posted by MrKilles on 2018/02/28 15:50:17
http://store.steampowered.com/app/562860/Ion_Maiden/
Ion Maiden in early access, Campaign in the early access too!
#158
#162 posted by mankrip on 2018/02/28 16:03:45
From the Hellscreen kickstarter:
Second to second, you will be blasting enemies, dodging incoming attacks and progressing through a labyrinth of evil at breakneck speeds.
Interconnected maps - United by a hub world, travel back and forth between levels to unlock new areas and secrets as upgrades are purchased. Not able to jump to that high platform? Upgrade to the double jump and return later to claim your prize.
Designed & hand-crafted levels - no procedural generation, no randomness, no accidents. Pure, constructed levels specifically created to give the player the most intense & invigorating experience possible. Only designed levels can give you hell.
Manipulative environments - Change the level to suit your needs and combat scenarios. Taking too much fire? Shoot the columns to raise cover. See a trap meant for you? Trigger it to use on your enemies instead.
Frequently Asked Questions
Is this an Arena/endless wave game or more like levels in Doom, quake etc
Hellscreen is a level based game, similar to Doom, Quake, Unreal etc.
An endless, arena mode may be a stretch goal...
Anyway, it would have been better for him to have a completed level to showcase exactly what kind of level design should be expected.
Yeah
#163 posted by bal on 2018/02/28 16:09:22
Hellscreen sounds ok, and the visuals would be pretty good if it didn't have that blue/red filter which kinda spoils any chance of having some visual diversity.
@mankrip
#164 posted by Tribal on 2018/02/28 16:11:47
ok, now i like it XD
#161
#165 posted by anonymous user on 2018/02/28 17:52:55
I recommend giving Ion Maiden a spin. I've been playing it this morning and thoroughly enjoying.
#166 posted by Tribal on 2018/02/28 18:03:16
Ion Maiden looks awesome!
A female version of Duke Nukem...
I like it =D
#167 posted by anonymous user on 2018/02/28 23:50:14
The Ion Maiden demo is pretty much unplayable on my PC. Severe frame rate drops in the starting area just by turning the camera. The starting area is really small so it's baffling to me how bad performance is.
#169 posted by Tribal on 2018/03/01 02:01:49
Gggmanlives made a review of Ion Maiden's demo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp7FvJcoINE
#168 Beyond Pathetic And Will Always Get Censored.
#170 posted by Shambler on 2018/03/01 10:09:15
GGMan Review.
#171 posted by Shambler on 2018/03/01 10:16:09
I like how he talks about it being good for a "20 year old" engine that's been updated. 20 years old would be 98 i.e. Unreal, I would be happy to see how this looked on an updated Unreal engine......
Still if you're into that sort of thing i.e. pixels and sprites.....it does look like it does a much better job than almost all the other games.
Yup.
#172 posted by Shambler on 2018/03/01 11:18:39
Dunno about the game in full, but from what I see, this does actually fit and execute the modern retro shooter as well as it should. I imagine if you're a Duke / ROTT / Blood fan then this is bang on. It has theme, coherence, purpose, proper level design etc. As I say it's not my bag for the style/GFX but one could consider it a tentative success....
Ion Maiden Feels Bad.
#173 posted by anonymous user on 2018/03/01 14:56:40
Call me crazy but I believe smooth and responsive player/mouse movement should be the first priority of any FPS developer.
Great design and art just go to waste when the game feels bad to play. Shame.
Ion Maiden is ALMOST there, but the performance isn't even close to where it should be. Explosions see frames below 50 on a machine that never drops below 90 during the most demanding scenes of DOOM 2016. (1440p) Even when the game is maintaining 144 fps it stutters constantly. Vsync and framecaps don't eliminate it. Hopefully we see some real fixes from the devs soon. Build engine man...
When free and open source projects like GZDoom and QuakeSpasm have me playing DOOM and Quake (originally limited to 35 and 72 fps respectively) flawlessly at whatever framerate I want with super smooth and responsive gameplay, I find myself less than impressed with commercial products like the Turok remasters (limited to 60 fps) and Ion Maiden (hella janky overall). Eh...
#174 posted by mankrip on 2018/03/01 15:41:02
Ion Maiden is ALMOST there, but the performance isn't even close to where it should be. Explosions see frames below 50 on a machine that never drops below 90 during the most demanding scenes of DOOM 2016. (1440p)
Judging from the screenshots, this game uses a software renderer. Color blending is one of the slowest things in any software renderer.
@mankrip
#175 posted by anonymous user on 2018/03/01 15:52:25
You can switch between software and OpenGL. It's literally EDuke32.
Both feel bad. Them boys got work to do. <3
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