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Posted by Shambler on 2003/05/11 15:08:47 |
I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
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#1706 posted by Kell on 2006/12/14 09:52:24
The inclusion of Jeremey "evil englishman" Irons in Eragon adds another chuckle, because he was in that D&D movie that took years to make it into production and promptly sank like a rock in the face of LotR. I hate elves.
I think LotR is flawed. As has been observed before, any flaws with the films should be laid at the feet of Tolkien, not Jackson, and I'm sure that's the case. I hate elves.
My first glimpse ( and I mean glimpse ) of Eragon promo photos made me think "cool, they're gonna ride on the fantasy-epic wave of LotR, but make one with an actual story and characters with depth. Go on, you can laugh, cause I hadn't seen the trailer yet.
Have you even seen the books? Seriously it's fucking Star Wars with a few names swapped out and Jedis replaced by "Dragon Riders".
...sums up my impression.
Also: I fucking hate elves.
Kinn Is My Hero
#1707 posted by DaZ on 2006/12/14 09:56:36
"I mean Superman could rape her so fast she wouldn't even notice anyway."
ROFL, that made my week.
Ok ok films I saw recently:
Superman Returns : Yeah I agree with you all really, it was fun to watch but it just didn't grab me, worth seeing but thats it.
Click : Utter, complete and total, utter, complete and utter, complete, utter SHIIIIITE
X3 : I enjoyed this a lot but I think X2 was a more rounded film, X3 has some very loose characters compared to the others too. Still, stuff blows up and people disintegrate and shit so its all good.
Way of the Gun : A Really great film about 2 rubbish thieves who get in over their head when they kidnap a pregnant woman who just happens to be carrying the baby of a very powerful man. Employs some very funny scenes too, which is surprising considering the moral tone of the film but it works well, definitely worth seeing.
Fucktons
#1708 posted by R.P.G. on 2006/12/14 10:25:52
this film is gonna make a metric fuckton of money
Sorry, I'm just curious, but what's the difference between a metric fuckton and an imperial fuckton? Do they vary just by a factor of 69, or are they different units of measurement all together?
#1709 posted by Kell on 2006/12/14 12:15:36
Imperial fucktons are a british invention and are not officially used anymore, except nostalgically by elderly engineers and conservative politicians. It was a unit defined as the amount of a given natural resource, such as gold, ivory or slaves, that could be extracted from a conquered nation faster than the population could measure. It's use fell into decline and was eventually replaced by the metric fuckton due to the rise of manufacturing technology form the 1950's onwards.
The metric fuckton, while smaller, is commonly used to account for larger quantities and is defined as the amount of a given commodity with a cultural value of zero that can be transferred to a gullible public before becoming unfashionable.
The number of Cliff Richard singles that are sold on the last shopping day before christmas is usually measured in fucktons.
Also used, though less commonly, is the megafuckton which is equal to 1,000,000 fucktons.
There are a few quantities that are generally measured in megafucktons, such as the number of atoms in a galaxy, the marketing budgets for hollywood blockbusters, and mappers' egos.
Kell
#1710 posted by Lunaran on 2006/12/14 13:05:05
I lolled, loudly, at work. I return the beer.
check your email once in a while too.
Too Funny
#1711 posted by Kinn on 2006/12/14 17:56:01
I lolled, loudly, at work. I return the beer.
I did this too, except I'm not back at work until January 2nd :D
Kell, you rock.
As of this moment of writing, Eragon is sitting on a stunning 09% on RottenTomatoes. Now watch as this film dominates the Christmas box office, spawns a plethora of equally shitty sequals, and opens the door for even more derivative literary dreck to be greenlighted in a $100m film deal.
Oh well, there's always Uwe Boll's In The Name Of The King: A Dungeon Siege Tale to look forward to in the new year.
Pretty Damn Good
#1712 posted by HeadThump on 2006/12/14 19:34:30
I was thinking Fuckton was a combo of Fuckhead + Automaton, but Kell went the flow and then rocked it hard.
#1713 posted by nitin on 2006/12/14 23:25:15
Body Heat (1981) - Lawrence Kasdan's attempt at a modern revision/update of Double Indemnity is only an above average effort and nowhere near the same league as Billy Wilder's great film. Not being subject to the same restrictions, there is a lot more (and in my opinion unecessary) emphasis on s_ex and the script, while containg some ripper dialogue, lacks finesse. Maybe I am being harsh but if you're going to use Double Indemnity as a basis, a movie with one of the greatest scripts of all time, then your own script has to be of a very high quality.
Still, the direction is very confident and assured, Kathleen Turner is good as the femme fatale and William Hurt is excellent as Ned Racine, a smalltime laywer drawn into murder against his better judgment.
6.5/10
Seinfeld Season 7 - I think this is the weakest series so far, but thats a relative comparison as this still has some killer episodes and even the not so good ones are still quite funny.
I actually hadnt seen some of these before either, which was a nice surprise.
7.5/10
Kell
#1714 posted by nitin on 2006/12/14 23:27:51
that was fucking brilliant.
But, I dont agree with this :
As has been observed before, any flaws with the films should be laid at the feet of Tolkien, not Jackson
I think if you see Jackson's other movies like King Kong and Heavenly Creatures, you will notice he has a tendency to overdirect and doesnt know when to stop on quite a few occasions. Subtlety or restraint isnt really his thing.
And while all three of the LOTR films are great movies, there are definitely bits that could have used those two charcteristics.
Tolkien's Narrative Techniques
#1715 posted by HeadThump on 2006/12/15 00:50:54
make it difficult to translate the trilogy into film. Even if you had time limit to tell the tale.
In the Return of the King, you have three endings. There is the standard ceremonial ending where the kingdom is put together, the king is crowned, brave souls honored and etcetera; then there is a strange middle ending, where the hobbits go back to the Shire and deal with evile afoot that was left unresolved.
This section is strange because the entire trilogy up to this point has been within the genre of epic fantasy, but the story in this part reads more like Tom Sawyer than what has preceded it.
After this ending you have the melancholy and infinitely sad passing of Middle Earth.
Likely, it is impossible to translate this to screen very well as it is quite a stretch even in written narrative.
Point well taken on Jackson's over direction, though. There are scenes in King Kong that needed to be slowed down and the actors allowed to get their lines spoken intelligibly but Jackson chose to have a lot of busy work going on in the background that overwhelmed everything else.
Should Be
#1716 posted by HeadThump on 2006/12/15 00:52:34
even if you had no real time limit
Oooh
#1717 posted by Text_Fish on 2006/12/15 02:41:00
[b]Pans Labyrinth[/b] [Laberinto del Fauno, El](2006)
Guillermo del Toro's Hollywood efforts may be sub-par at best, but by-god if they make him enough money to continue producing material like [i]The Devils Backbone[/i] and his new film [i]Pans Labyrinth[/i] then I say bring on [i]Hellboy 15[/i]!
Pans Labyrinth starts out almost like a live-action Miyazaki film, with an instantly involving sense of mystery and an incredible attention to detail, but then it gradually becomes more and more apparent that it's certainly not one for the whole family. This is a seriously dark film melding two seemingly unconnected yet seamlessly appropriate narrative strands together that will really keep the audience guessing as to when the Child characters' fantasy world and the grim plight of the Adult characters in civil war Spain will come together.
There's actually a particularly disturbing creature in the film that wouldn't look too out of place in Doom or Quake 1 so if anybody here gets the chance to go and see it, I'd strongly advise that they do.
Just be sure to have a strong stomach, because there's some stomach curdling gore in this that's on a par with the Hellraiser films.
Ohno! I Forgot This Place Uses HTML.
#1718 posted by Text_Fish on 2006/12/15 02:41:55
nt
That's Due In Oz Over The Summer
#1719 posted by nitin on 2006/12/15 02:47:37
I've been hanging out for that one. Even when Del Toro makes duds, they're very stylish.
Superman Returns
#1720 posted by Kinn on 2006/12/16 10:59:09
Got this last night and overall I really enjoyed it. I thought the film began poorly, and I was prepared for it to suck hard, but once the action got going, all the Superman moneyshots basically hit the target.
I was a little apprehensive about the changes to the costume design I had heard about, but I am pleased to report that my fears were in vain as Brandon Routh looked absolutely fabulous as the Man of Steel.
I'm not sure I like where the series is going with the kid subplot - I think Superman works best as a bachelor rather than a family guy, but hey it could turn out interesting.
I thought Brandon did a fantasic job of filling the gaping hole left by Christopher Reeve. His acting was really believable especially when he took a brutal pounding from Lex and the gang during the third act - that really did make me wince.
Most memorable scene: probably the slowmo (bullet time?) sequence where Brandon, I mean Superman, takes a hot load in the eye from the machinegun guy during the climax of the bank robbery scene. That was some pretty intense cinematography right there.
So in conclusion: two thumbs up
#1721 posted by nitin on 2006/12/17 05:34:50
Army in the Shadows (1969) - Jean Pierre Melville's film about members of the french resistance during the second world war is one of the most atmospheric and moody films you will ever see. It's short on plot, and in fact the narrative structure is not really conventional playing out more like a "year in the life of.." with quite an abrupt ending. The script isnt concerned with The Resistance and what it actually did during the war period but is more focused on painting the state of mind of its members.
The acting is impressive and it probably features some of the best cinematography committed to celluloid.
What stops it from being a flat out masterpiece is that despite being very good at getting into the head of some of its characters, it never really lets the viewer get familiar with any particular character(s) and the result, whilst being undeniably great, is a very clinical and distant film.
8.5/10
Science Of Sleep
#1722 posted by bear on 2006/12/17 07:18:20
I found it rather fantasic. Sure there were probably things that could have been better but not enough to stop me from loving it.
Uh
#1723 posted by megaman on 2006/12/17 12:53:01
Most memorable scene: probably the slowmo [�] sequence where Brandon [�] takes a hot load in the eye from the machinegun guy during the climax
eh, what?
Also: i don't get it. you guys are blaming TOLKIEN for the bad lotr movie? What?! I blame nietsche for the passion of the christ not having the atheist ending i wished for.
meet the feebles is exactly why peter jackson was not the right director for a script that requires as much sublety as lotr. And yes, it requires loads of subtlety.
Reread #1715
#1724 posted by HeadThump on 2006/12/17 13:26:41
You are likely understand the point made better on a second read. Blame is not the correct word to use as it connotes that there is something wrong or perhaps lacking in quality in Tolkein's writing. I never touch the subject.
Tolkein's narrative structure makes it difficult to translate the story into a screenplay; at least, a screenplay that follows the story faithfully. I went over the problem this creates for Return of the King, but the other books have there on structural ticks as well.
Yeah, Kinn
Most memorable scene: probably the slowmo [�] sequence where Brandon [�] takes a hot load in the eye from the machinegun guy during the climax
What's up with that?
Megaman
#1725 posted by nitin on 2006/12/17 13:33:47
re-reading kinn's comment now, I see your point :)
Yah
#1726 posted by Kinn on 2006/12/17 15:24:31
Megaman, HeadThump - if you've seen the film you'll know which bit I mean. As soon as Superman starts coming he takes a piping hot load to the face and chest then when he's spent, the bad guy pulls out his own weapon and pops one off into Superman's eye and he takes it like a pro and doesn't even flinch.
Also: I'm not really getting the LotR hate here. I can't even imagine how horrible these films could have turned out in the hands of other directors at the time who might have been interested in filming them. If you'd followed the production of this trilogy you'd appreciate the absolutely crazy shit that the production company were trying to pull on this project and Peter Jackson had to lobby like a madman to get them to even accept a script that resembled Tolkien.
The fact that they even allowed him to make it into three films took nothing less than divine intervention.
Seriously, there is not an alternate universe where these films could have turned out as well as they did.
Hm
#1727 posted by megaman on 2006/12/17 16:21:33
i have seen the first lotr ;) it was more a general comment on the way you guys argued
Most memorable scene: probably the slowmo [�] sequence where Brandon [�] takes a hot load in the eye from the machinegun guy during the climax
This just could easily describe a porn movie ;)
Congratulations Megaman
#1728 posted by Lunaran on 2006/12/17 20:05:22
you found the point
#1729 posted by mwh on 2006/12/18 04:00:37
It was almost as much a relief that the lord of the ring films didn't suck as I was happy that they were actually quite good :-)
Huh?
#1730 posted by megaman on 2006/12/18 12:32:20
what point?
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