Probably old news to everyone but me but I got around to adding LMP previewing into my PAK editor and came across the sell screen for Quake. It sort of screams "placeholder" to me but you be the judge...

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/screen_shots/QuakeSellScreen.jpg 

Interesting! 

Funny... Yeah, I guess they just decided to pop up the help screen instead, which has ordering info anyway. 

and possibly others:

does the thin plastic/rubbery coating over the majority of the mouse (the sides and center surrounding the mouse wheel) tend to start peeling off for you guys?

i love these mice, they work forever and fit my hand comfortably but the two i own both have the damn plastic covering peeling off.

it's like a snake shedding it's skin. -_- 

Yes, it is kinda disgusting. I'm gonna find me a new one soon. 

I have an MX518 which I ended up never using, because my hands are too small and I don't like the form. I finally got me a Razer Krait which is perfect for me.

If someone wants the 518, ask. 

http://www.matasano.com/log/1749/typing-the-letters-a-e-s-into-your-code-youre-doing-it-wrong/

not that i get everything, but, well, i love how it is written. 

tl;dr

What's the idea? 

nice. I'll probably have to read that another three times to understand everything. 

Say, what's the bot of choice these days for DM fun? 

reaper081 or something like that, dead easy to use, addaptive AI, you can record demos which will run under normal Id1 progs....

ftp://ftp.stomped.com/pub/redwood/bots/reaprb81.zip 

I think as long as Electro hasn't finished his Shockbot, FrikbotX is the way to go. 

guys you should be kidding? these bots are really suxx, frogbot rules, just ask Trinca, he has a progs.dat with around 300 maps that frogbot has supporting. and a bot with skill 20 really kicks ass 

Frikbot X

http://www.inside3d.com/frikbot/fbx/
http://www.inside3d.com/frikbot/content.php?file=waypoints 

I know the Reaper would just learn the level as it played. Do these other bots do the same? I don't want to mess around with having to create waypoint files every time the map changes... 

Frogbot is pretty amazing. But I too like Reaper bots the most for some reason. 

They need waypoints which might be that ^ reason. 

you don't need to create waypoints for frogbots
as trinca's progs.dat already has supporting for a large amount of maps
i can record a quick demo of duelling frogbots 

What I'm driving at is that I'd like the bots for testing any DM level I might want to create on my own. Files containing waypoints for existing levels won't help me ... the bot needs to be able to be dropped into a level and just play. Know what I mean? 

i see 

If you dont like it I'll give you a full refund!

Im sure the other bots are superior for reason X or reason Y, and honestly ReaperBot is the first bot I got to work for me and I havent tried the others mentioned above. But its dead easy to use Reaperbot, you just run the progs as any other mod, press a key to spawn bots 4 at a time, or 1 at a time, and you're off!
They will attack eachother and you, they learn the map and the location of the items, and where they start off as noobs, they soon begin to kick your ass! 

you should try the omicron bots then, here is a quote from its readme file
This quake add-on contains the following features (and probably a lot more):
Dynamic level learning: The omicron bots can quickly learn any level, and remembers where things are as it plays... Try it on a level you don't know, and the bot will know the level "by heart" before you figure out how to get from A to B. Once the bot has "learned" a level, you can easily take that knowledge and put it into the BSP itself. From then on, the bot won't have to relearn that level; it will know it from the start.
Optional anti-camper feature; This enables you to weed out all those happy outdoor type people. Make the rain fall...yeah.
Advanced routing: Not only does it remember where things are, but it also can plot the shortest route to them, taking into account existing teleporters. It can find enemies in a similar fashion; if it knows where you are, it might come and make a visit.
Hearing: The omicron bot can actually "hear" and "understand" some of the sounds around it. If the obot hears you pick something up, for instance, it might figure out where you are. If it does, it might very well decide to come over and put you in backpack mode.
Pursuit AI: Using its advanced (AI SPRUCE) routing, the omicron bot can be a hard tail to shake. Not only can it chase you down, but it can sometimes use existing map features to actually cut you off at the pass.
Fuzzy logic: The bot uses fuzzy logic in it's AI. It isn't as impressive as it sounds, or so Mr. E. tells me. This allows it an amount of flexibility when making decisions and allows those decisions to appear much more intelligent.
Team Support: Not only does the obots support teamplay, it actually supports teamplay with multiple teams!
Individualized characters: There are 24 different bots, each with its own respective skin and phrases. You can either choose to load up a random character, or if you have a favorite bot, you can ask for it by name.
Bot-Cam: The omicron bot provides an observer mode that allows you to see through the eyes of a client (i.e. bot or player) of your choice, or to follow him in "supersmooth chase-cam"(tm) mode.
Deathmatch 3 and 4. (love dm3..still don't know about dm 4)
Optional powerup/weapon removal; The admin can optionally bar the use of of the quad, pentagram(or 666 as I like to call it), invisibility and several of the weapons as he/she sees fit.
Randomize maps and cycle maps feature, which makes you jump around quake maps (and other custom maps) to your own liking, ignoring those you hate and dispize (maps, not people that is).
Several difficulty levels for the bots; from skill 0 to 3. Actually the difficulty is for you, the player. The higher their skill, the easier you are to kill.
RocketArena!!! See http://planetquake.com/servers/arena/ for more detailed information (it's RA 1 B.T.W.).
Hardcoded waypoints for all deathmatch levels of the original Quake. So it saves you the time of making your own crummy BSP waypoints and then complaining to us that the bots suck. Which we already know....so try and make a better bot yourself..from scratch...HA!!! (Note: this editorial was not put here by Mr E., who wishes to apologize for the entire contents of this readme)
ROCKETJUMPING!!!! (I heard that some of the Beta testers themselves were whining over this bit for weeks..this is why it was included last...it had a priority of 1; 0 means...we're not going to do anything about it).
 

Willem someone is working in such a bot ;)

Let�s see what happend! 

Ricky

Yeah, I used to use Reapers way back in the day when I did my map review site. Thanks, I'll probably go with them since I know them already. 

ahh Omicron bots also play in any map... but they arent to smart :)