Im not even clever.
And Im not about to go pretending that I am taking an unbiased viewpoint towards this issue, because Im not biased in TPB's favour or against it, but I am biased against arrogance, ignorance, stupididty and towards common sense.

Now, TPB is a website which:

1 - Offers links to download files which were illegally distributing copyrighted materials, i.e. illegal.

(megmn - "im not reading this, no they didnt, thats not fair, there was no such thing there, it wasnt the website owners fault that they didnt take illegal files from there site, or warn the perpetrators, or change there website into a licensed pay-per-download site or a nice website with pictures of kittens (copyrited I'd imagine, although no human can take the credit for the beauty of a kitten......heh))

2 - The website was called "The PIRATE Bay", it was not a website about traditional 16th century pirates, or bays, but actually a website full of "pirated" media (as in "video piracy is a crime, you wouldnt walk into a shop and steal a DVD, you wouldnt walk into a shop and steal a television set)

Now to say that the website owners arent at all responsible for DAMAGES to the COPYRITE OWNERS through LOSS OF INCOME is basically just a load of bollocks.

(megmn - "no it isnt, the copyrite owners are all dicks, its OK to steak from people who have more money than me/you because they dont care about me/you, an why should they care they have loads of money already")


Not to put words in your mouth here Megaman 

USB for me - they're big and cheap enough, and stupidly simple to use. If you're wanting to back up lots of stuff (game / film archives) then external disk is probably your best bet.

Thanks nonentity and SleepwalkR - I now understand the various points of the arguments. 

 

The fact that they mockingly posted letters on their web site from people asking them to take down their copyrighted materials shows that they knew exactly what they were doing.

Fuck them. 

 

"The Pirate Bay" says to me that they knew what they were doing. If they wanted to make it low key they should have called it "Ubershare" or "ByteSwap" or something. 

you've lost me..... 

 

what the fuck does it matter what the name of their site is? or if they were rude of polite about how they responded to cease and desists? 

If they're going to posture that they didn't know what the site was being used for, the name of the site and their attitudes betray that claim. 

Quick comparison. In the case of Roe v. Wade (yes, US law I know, but it's a famous case), if Roe had be a prostitute/slut/detestable nazi bitch, would that have justified a continued ban on abortions for all women in America? 

How is that a comparison to anything being discussed in this thread? 

 

i forgot my planetquake account 

...did warez.

Fact. 

had to call myself FadMox at planet Quake, because someone cracked my name.

Then I saw IRC reports from me, which sounded a lot like a word generator with lots of my posts fom func. 

Then I saw IRC reports from me, which sounded a lot like a word generator with lots of my posts fom func.

There's a certain irony there I think... 

== lolz 

Works every time, baby. 

stupid per se. I was calling him stupid when he used that argument. Actually, my memory saved it as "his argument was stupid" and i was surprised i didn't word it as that.

I am calling him close-minded and unfocused, because he isn't actually answering any of my arguments and just repeats on and on in his "BLA PIRAZY IS BAEEEEEED!" opinion (indeed at least one of the better), so the result is a soup of unanswered arguments, which makes a discussion not worthwhile (to me).

Also note that i'm only vaguely on the side of the pirate bay, i'm just stating whatever arguments i didn't see properly used, for the fun of the argument (i like discussions [not necessarily on the intardnet though]). 

and i forgot my main point:

http://linuxreviews.org/news/2005/02/10_way_to_go_sweeden/

What i remembered was that before that, swe had quite liberal laws regarding copyright (but i didn't /don't have safe sources for that), which pretty much would justify all of the attitude they had. the answers to the letters were stating exactly this liberality. That's why sleepwalkers argument was so stupid: he didn't know squat about the swe laws and still insisted that they were stupid because they seemingly didn't know about the swe laws :)

Oh, and pardon the use of one-syllable words, i'm not a native speaker. Should we continue this discussion in German and rate based on syllables? 

maybe you should re-read your posts before you submit them. I usually don't like discussions on the internet either, and most of the posts I write for this board never get submitted because I know that there usually is someone who will drag the discussion into the mud.

I just thought I'd chime in here because it's an interesting topic and I still wonder how you can not understand that piracy is stealing, and should therefore not be condoned. But I guess you cannot explain that. Either your moral compass is adjusted like that, or it isn't. 

a brick wall here.

Megaman - Please keep making killer maps, and dont get into law/law breaking :P 

Incredibly bias reporting source, but lawls none the less;

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-lawyer-is-biased-calls-for-a-retrial-090423/ 

Also, I've only just noticed the slightly misleading (and humourous) URL of that article...