mostly 

with AC/DC I know at least they don't need drm,
but mettalica still reminds me of a new cassette-record band. I'm thirty years older now, why do they make me feel so pre-midlife crise? 

That reminds me of the Tony Hawks 3 unlockable videos. 

your warehouse gleichnis is wrong.

They didn't set the warehouse up to trade stolen goods, they set up a place where everyone can trade goods in whatever way he likes. Similar to your city counsel creating something like a market place. You wouldn't put those guys in jail if someone trades stolen goods, would you? 

drum machine? 

aka

"FUCK YOU CONSUMER" 

Region specific anything is the father of this foul spawn.

So - video games are learning from the music and film industries.

But none of the good ideas. 

Yeah, right. They did not call it "The Pirate Bay", they did not boast "get the latest moviez here", they did not make fun of takedown requests.

Or did they?

Sure, they thought they were protected by the law (and maybe it turns out that way later), but if you act like a cunt, then you deserve to be treated like one. I don't feel sorry for anyone of them and I would not care the slightest if TPB was gone. 

This. Cheers, Spirit. 

Agree with Spirit as well. Those guys are idiots, which is proven by the fact alone that they fell in with neonazis. You cannot argue against the fact that Bittorrent is mostly used for theft and not for legitimate purposes. It's not like it's just a tiny fraction of the content that's illegitimate - it's the overwhelming majority.

And you cannot argue this away by saying that it's the industry's own fault either because they don't provide easy-to-use, accessible-for-everybody and affordable ways for people to use their content or that you get "locked in" (e.g. iTunes). That just doesn't justify theft. At least not in the reality I live in.

Note: I do use Bittorrent for pirating the occasional TV show that would not be accessible to me in a timely fashion otherwise, so I'm a hipocrite. But at least I'm aware of that. 

Well, i wouldn't necessarily disagree if they're getting prosecuted for advertising copyright infringement. But they seemed to be very sure all that stuff is legal in swe, which makes it a non-issue, then (if it indeed is).

And still, i don't think that would justify taking down the site or the trackers. Removing the illegal torrents, maybe.

they fell in with neonazis the last time i saw this it wasn't more than rumor. src? And i think you'd be surprised how many nazi guys were in charge in DE... 

now that i think of it "get the latest moviez here" doesn't imply copyright infringement at all. 

Checking the site just now, there's nothing that advertises copyright infringement on it. Nada. 

...did you bother even posting that??

They knew exactly what they were doing, the users knew exactly what they were doing, and so did everyone else. 

then again that is law, and thats coming from one so trust me :) 

aimed at the no copyright infringement by their actions posts. 

The site was called "The Pirate Bay" FFS!
And almost every file on it had the word "crack" or "rip" in the title, or "keygen". 

"But they seemed to be very sure all that stuff is legal in swe"

Yeah, right. I think you are german, so you understand the saying "Unwissenheit sch�tzt vor Strafe nicht", I guess. For everyone else, I think the correct translation is "Ignorance is no excuse in law".

About the neonazi issue, I have no definite proof, but a quick google search turns up this article at the register

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/26/pirate_bay_neo_nazi/

Anyways, even if it's not true, that doesn't change the fact that they knew what they were doing and that it was illegal and that they would be prosecuted one day. 

so, i take it you can point me to and quote the relevant sections in swedish law. Oh, you can't? Then please stfu when somebody's discussing the legal issues regarding pirate bay. Cause, y'know, "Unwissenheit schuetzt vor Dummheit nicht". 

is a pirate hook illegal (commonly worn on thanksgiving), just because it's called like that? is penisland.com porn? 

Cause it aint me. Keep digging ole buddy, keep digging. A website called pirate bay, where you go to download "perfectly legitimate files" 99% of which are sub-standard copies of media which is SUPPOSED to be protected under copyright law. And you KNOW that its saving you X amount of money because you KNOW your supposed to pay for it.

Still I see your point - "Mega" - "Man" - you'd expect it to me some sort of extra-proportioned guy of some type. Oh, how surprised you would be. 

If there was a kiddy porn site called "www.funwithchildered.com" you wouldnt argue that that was OK, so why this? 

Ok, if piracy didn�t happened all those companies would win more... DVD�s are way to much expensive� why should they get so many money with a fucking peace of plastic with some songs or movie on it?

I think all these industries should make things more cheep, they will get more money for sure if they put the DVD cheaper�

Metalica are a fucking example, thanks god I don�t like those fagets assholes and if I did, I surely never buy a DVD from then after what they have done!

FUCK THOSE HUGE COMPANYS ,THEY WANT TO MUCH OF OUR FEW MONEY. 

to get you guys away from the PIRACY IS EVIL track:

rather than arguing about their intentions, i argue about whether there's much that objectively distinguishes them from every other public tracker + directory. And do i have to argue that banning those would be a bad move for freedom of speech? 

I fail to see why you condemn one form of stealing an artists just reward for their work (TBP) while supporting what is effectively another way of stealing artists pay (record labels).

Oh, and Carl Ludstrom is nazi; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Lundstr%C3%B6m#Political_affiliations