It feels more corporate to me than CoD, honestly. I'm not expecting them to make a 90s fps. Those are harder to make, frankly. I don't need to relive my childhood, but I wouldn't mind some fun again, outside of a few good moments in BlOps2, modded Skyrim, STALKER, and early Minecraft.

Anyways, I did a rough quick post of my thoughts, http://scar3crow.com/2016/04/doom-4-campaign-stream-thoughts/ 

Anyways, I did a rough quick post of my thoughts...

This is pretty much spot-on with mine. The arena-to-arena progression (it's notable that they even referred to the maps as "arenas" in the stream), the knowing gamism, the upgrades and mods system...

At it's heart it's a simplistic shooter for sure, but then it has all this other stuff tacked on which doesn't really seem to add much to the game. It actually seems as though each could quite happily live in isolation from the other. There's something that doesn't quite cohere in the implementation, and that's sad. Even Rage didn't suffer from that, once you realised that you were actually playing a Final Fantasy game. Doom 4 on the other hand feels like they were developing two separate games but decided to slam them together late in the process.

Unlike you I'll probably buy it. It won't be day 1 or even week 1, but I'll pick it up sometime in the first few months. It won't be awesome but it'll fit in for times when I feel like some mindless shooting. 

I just realized the Lost Souls explode on impacting you... So they don't persist. Like the security drones from Duke 3d. Meh. 

There are two kinds of lost souls, the orange and the blue ones. 

What I saw were blue ones who were roaming, then lit up in a bright red/pink with a lot of white, charged, and exploded on impact. When killed, there was the Added to Codex toast which simply called them Lost Soul. So, by their naming, these are the standard. Maybe there are others by some other name which don't detonate on impact? 

Hmm, so I didn't pay enough attention to them.

Yeah, it would be nice if they also added the Doom 3 style lost souls to the roster, and differentiate their combat mechanics. 

hell singleplayer video seems underwhelming, can I say this or are the Bethesda fanatics still ready to pick a fight over any criticism of this game? 

I don't believe there is a single Bethesda fanatic on this forum, you're safe here. 

Unless you can't handle any disagreement at all. :-) 

We're not Bethesda fanatics but we're also (mostly) not haters. If we see stuff that's good we'll call it good. If we see stuff that's bad we'll call it bad. But it will be based on informed reasoned opinion rather than getting an internet hard-on. You OK with that? 

You'll get a better reception here if you don't post anonymously too. HTH. 

Is how the UAC interiors look like the ones in the Alien movie. A nice touch since Doom started as an Aliens game but went into its own thing while still taking Aliens as inspiration. It shows the SP devs at least did part of their homework. Though I wish they went further and made the possessed more like the deadites from Evil Dead and demons looking like old-timey demons instead of MOBA characters.
Good thing execution moves can be turned off, but the Berserk power-up being those killer cinematics without having to hurt an enemy first is blech. Should've just been explosive punches.
As far as arena goes, at least it's not like Painkiller or Serious Sam where the levels are just room after room after room being locked in and having to kill everything. I find it boring. 

Most of the doom 3 base textures can be found somewhere in the alien films. 

It's suddenly struck me as utterly, entirely, completely, 100% ridiculous to compare these games that are being made in the modern era with modern technology and some modern concepts to 2D sprite-based shooters from 20 fucking years ago.

And possibly just as ridiculous to remake them with same name.... Of that era, possibly Quake 2 was the first game with a strong enough theme / progression to be sensibly remakable and comparable (even if it only half worked).

Taking the name / remake with a large shovel of salt and viewing them purely as FPS games in their own right....that's more like it. 

Made me realise that Doom 4 is getting far more flack than it deserves. 

...at least it's not like Painkiller or Serious Sam where the levels are just room after room after room being locked in and having to kill everything.

What I'm taking away from what I've seen so far is that it's actually exactly like that. Instead of "rooms" there are "arenas" which are multilevel and with smaller side areas, but otherwise that does seem to be the concept. 

Watching Kingdime Play Doom 3 Last Night
Made me realise that Doom 4 is getting far more flack than it deserves.

Yeah, people tend to have really short memories.

Doom 4 looks a million times more fun than Doom 3 so far. In case anyone needs reminding: https://www.twitch.tv/kingdime/v/63770654 

I mean it's not a bad idea by itself but it's mostly everywhere to people who wants to make "classic 90s" FPSes.
Is it because it's less complicated to design? Even though Doom (and by extenion Quake 1) isn't that complex to begin with, the monsters have simple AI, the weapons only have a single function, and the level design is just "go from point A to point B, also there's monsters in your way".
Maybe some people find Doom's design as obsolete by today's standarts, but we all know that's crazy talk. 

That people shy away from it because it looks like too much work for them? 

Imagine the awesome 10 storey high pulsating organic fleshy giant demon penis thrusting out of the lava ridden soil they could create for a boss fight with the D4 engine!

It could cum lost souls and stuff at you! 

"Maybe some people find Doom's design as obsolete by today's standarts, but we all know that's crazy talk."

Yup, crazy talk. I mean who would like true and tested obsolete classic game styles, huh ? Certainly not all the Binding of Isaac fans as an example amongst hundreds.

Why the fuck is it because its in first person perspective do people have an obsession with making always more of it. Sigh...it all started way back with the PC magazines hammering about a "Doom killer" around the corner.

Why the fuck kill something that works so well ?

I know this is besides the point with D4, that's not what they are going for obviously, just something supposedly "inspired by". And that's fine, I look forward to trying it out (SP) for what it is not expecting it to take my love for Doom classic away.

I've made peace with the fact I will only ever get my true DOOM fix from DOOM classic.

But if studios can find it in themselves to make "smash-tv killers" a-la Binding of Isaac or Gauntlet killers a la Gauntlet "newgfxsauce" what the fuck would be wrong with a little reskinned Doom (doom in all but name) but with modern game overlay/community etc features ? 

 

Not sure where you were in the 90s but the PC FPS community were clearly happy to go in a more realistic and story based direction, as games like Half-Life and stuff came out.

The people who actually want to just play classic Doom, or a modern game that's essentially a reskin of classic Doom, are a minority - albeit a very vocal one. 

Yes a minority, that's fine. Only the chosen few have good taste :-P

Kidding aside its obv a project for a small indie team, not a AAA project.
Though these kind of projects have been known to end out paying out very nicely for said indie devs.

Isaac, super meat boy etc. Pretty sure those and other oldschool gameplay revival games brought new players to those "obsolete" genres. 

Is Doom by itself too simple to be a AAA game and offering the same experience as the original games? Is this a design style only for smaller/indie games?