thanks, had noth the kyoto things marked.

I have gone through 2/3 of the travel guide and already there's way too much stuff that I ahve marked (including a highly unlikely but would be cool if I could trip to ogasawara-shoto.

have you been to himeji-jo? pics definitely look inspiring. 

thanks for the link, nice pics! 

Yeah Himeji is very nice, best to go there from Kyoto as a one day trip, no need to stay there the night. There's a garden outside the castle that is very nice too, forgot the name, they sell tasty anago there (conger eel sushi, yummy).
It's alot better than the Osaka castle, if you're planning on going to Himeji, Osaka Castle isn't worth the trouble I think.

Ogasawara-shoto looks cool. I'd still like to illegaly get into Gunkanjima sometime, know some people who've done it and they took some friggin awesome photos. 

Since I remade my site recently, my photo gallery is gone, but I still have some Himeji photos on Picasa:
http://picasaweb.google.com/benoit.stordeur/JapanHimeji#
(Also some photos of Dotonburi, which I talked about in my previous post: http://picasaweb.google.com/benoit.stordeur/JapanOsaka# ). 

what's the feeling there? 

Obviously the Egoshooter (yes, that's what FPS are called in Germany) Counter-Strike - where you get extra points if you use a shotgun to kill the stroller pushing grannies - has killed some people. Even though that dude was said to not being "interested in computers or the internet". 

Bayern Muchen suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk 

or has my memory gotten a bit fuzzy since high school japanese class?

I had two years of French in High School, two years in college. Can I speak French? Absolutely not. 

Obviously the Egoshooter (yes, that's what FPS are called in Germany) Counter-Strike - where you get extra points if you use a shotgun to kill the stroller pushing grannies - has killed some people. Even though that dude was said to not being "interested in computers or the internet".

I recall reading a blog between the creator of the Irrlicht engine and a developer working one of the Cryteck games, both Germans, talking about how the developers of shooters are treated like child rapist in Germany. We get the same irrationality here, of course.

As every one knows, Columbine was blamed on Doom under the theory that the virtual blows suffered by the teenagers during the game by those fucking imps caused the boys more psychological trauma than the actual blows suffered at the hands of jocks in the fucked up culture of our High Schools. Slashdot did an excellent report on this at the time.

At the risk of adding to unscientific findings in the ways common to media and politicians because I know little on the subject, I have seen convincing reports showing that a common element of past shooting sprees has been the prescription of psychotropic antidepressants. 

1. He was under psychotherapy for depressions, but quit (and nothing happened)
2. One of his collegues said he was regularly mobbed in school
3. He shot almost exclusively women (headshots)
4. He was pretty bad at his already second-rate school
5. His dad left his Beretta and several hundred ammo lying around his parents' bedroom (uhm... why? Also, why did his dad have such a weapon?)
6. A chat room post appeared where he says "no one realizes my potential" (but this may be a fake)
7. He had no friends
8. Apparently, no one ever noticed
9. Some say he was a very good shot with his dad's gun, but apparently he fired about 60 shots. He immediately shot at police, too.

10. All of the above came together

:-(

Oh yeah, he also played computer games and watched videos. A neighbor told the press he watched "horror movies" regularly. No one knows what he actually watched, but it's easy to guess what he played. The same stuff that millions of other people are playing.

I get the impression that the family had moved there from some other place a while ago. If that's true, he was the new kid at school. I may be wrong here though.

The press and politicians claim that it is impossible to explain why he did it. Now this makes *me* want to shoot *them*. It's pretty obvious IMO.

Several people made mistakes, basically.

Nothing will change, of course, and the countdown to the next one has already started.

Also, Germany has a three-tier school system, tier 1 meaning good success and posh kids, tier 3 meaning failure and no job. He was in tier 2, but barely made it. He had gotten a job afterwards, but IDK about the details. Yup, he was out of school for a short while already.

You can only go to college when you finish tier 1; tier 2 ppl normally get medium to bad jobs, if at all. Tier 3's outlook is coal black. It's also due to the current job situation etc. But of course, the guy had personal problems, too.

It has to be noted that the amok run of Erfurt (2002) happened at a tier 1 school though; in that case, the guy shot mainly teachers. Erfurt is in Eastern Germany (again a different situation). He had been fired from his school and thus officially failed (a regional problem). Thus he, too, had a pretty bad outlook (especially considering where he lived).

Plus, what Spirit said. It happened in a smallish town, not actually in Stuttgart. In very southern Germany (ie, a conservative environment). Southern Germany has relatively good economy, while the East and North aren't so prosperous (Berlin, for example, is piss-poor like the rest of the East). It's directly inverse, though, when it comes to progress and personal liberties vs. conservativism. I wouldn't want to live in the South. Incidentally, there is also a confessional split; the South is practically Catholic, while the East is protestant and most people in the North aren't very religious at all. The East has a huge Nazi problem though (this tells me that poverty makes people Nazis, apparently). But I digress.

I don't claim 100% correctness here, but it should come reasonably close. 

6 is a fake and that was proven yesterday via the Google Cache: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b747f229

It's amazing how the print media is full of it today. Frontpage stories even. Quoting the ~police that "it's definitely not a fake" Can't wait to have this incompetent morons try to censor the internet... 

He had problems in school, was mobbed by classmates, had problems with girls, had no friends, was clinically depressed, saw no future, and was maybe smarter than you would guess. And then he found a gun.

A frighteningly common story, huh. Up until that last point (and now imagine we had no gun control).

Guilty parties:

Himself (pulling the trigger)
Classmates (mobbing, failing to help, social failure)
Parents (wtf happened with the gun?)
Perhaps teachers (failure to notice and take action)
School system
Social system
Health system
Economy

... bah, it's impossible to explain, really. Let's go to church (at least once), cry, and then forget about it...

Oh, wait, I forgot "computer games".

:-( 

I find the lack of originality in all these shootings rather depressing, if you're going out with a bang can't you at least be a little bit creative? 

the similarity in these actions seems to suggest that the news media is a better suspect than games/movies. 

Is sensationalist pap aimed at idiots (the media) so I don't take it seriously.

The biggest causal factor is access to guns.

Fair enough these individuals could use a machete or similar, but they'll do alot less damage and but stopped immediately when the law enforcement or even a security guard arrives.

It always surprises me how they have this massive list of mental issues but still have no problem getting hold of a weapon.

In this case he stole it from his dad, but even so.

Social failings are to blame, society as a whole - that's why the media wants to find scapegoats, because another failing is that we usually can't stomach the truth. 

the "we have no idea why he did it" made me angry, too. Guess they're pretending to don't know so they don't have to confess to failure.

I look at pictures of the guy and immediately think "a person with personal problems". I would have stayed away from him if i had met him in, say, university. 

Looks like his dad had 15 guns at home. Legally. (Well, not locking them away is illegal, though). His son regularly trained at a shooting club.

Umm, I thought we had gun control in this country. No one needs 15 guns for anything. I can understand if you have a sports weapon at home, of course.

It is indeed the case that access to guns is still too easy.

There are relatively strict laws about guns, but apparently they're only followed loosely by gun clubs and gun dealers (and gun owners). For example the parts that say what kind of gun you can have are often not taken seriously. As in the case of the Erfurt guy (he was at a shooting club, too, and an arms dealer didn't take the laws too seriously and sold him a Glock and a pump gun).

Idiots. The dad should go to jail, definitely. His gun was used to kill 15 people because he was lazy with it.

Some guy from the shooting clubs said that the guns could not be locked away at the club, "because there is no way to control that".

Har har, how is it better if Daddy takes his collection home and "controls" it there?!

German soldiers are NOT allowed to take their assault rifles home, btw. They are locked away at the camp and apparently it IS possible to control THAT, since they rarely get stolen or used in massacres, unlike shooting club guns.

Ah well. It happened now. The sad part is that nothing really changes. 

Bl1tz: Really??

http://kotaku.com/5169468/fear-2-toy-soldiers-dlc-is-gigantic-and-free

Can't say I'm a fan of giant maps like that, and this really doesn't fit the FEAR theme.

Having said that, I can not wait for this. It looks really badass. 

Why is gun control so important.
If his dad had only had 5 guns, would he not have gone out and shot those people? Even one gun?


I don't understand the mentality. People always look "WHO/WHAT IS TO BLAME" after things like these happen.
Ok, change a law - ban guns, videogames, horror movies, fire some policemen and ministers. Everything will be ok after that?
It's just completely idiotic populism in the media.

Maybe if there were no guns, he would have made a bomb. Ok so ban chemicals. He would have ripped people in the middle of the night at streets. So ban knifes.

Sigh. 

We have pretty strict gun control in germany already. It makes it harder for people to obtain guns legally, but what the hell - if someone wants to go on a killing spree, they'll get a gut anyway. Or use some other deadly weapon.

Without knowing much about the shooter's personal life and background, I'd agree that if you want to blame anyone besides him, it's the people closest to him: family, teachers, friends. They should have noticed and taken action. A person doesn't just get up and decides to go on a killing spree, it's a long process and that kind of mental sickness doesn't go unnoticed if someone had paid attention.

To blame this on media is too easy obviously. My way of thinking is that horror movies and action games don't make you into a mass murderer if you're normal, but I believe that if you are already on the way to a mental illness and have a lot of suppressed anger issues, they can push you further in that direction and it may not be a good idea for you. But that's obviously not grounds for a ban. If it were, you'd have to ban alcohol right along with them. 

yep 

Ok, change a law - ban guns, videogames, horror movies...[..]

Life would be so monotonous :( .. Nevermind...

I'm fed up with pseudo psychiatric specialists that are always trying to find excuses saying the murderer has been corrupted by our porn/violent society, bla bla bla... silly nonsense...

"Poor guy, he killed his father, his mother, his brother, his sister, and no he is alone... please have mercy of this poor orphan, and don't be rude with him... "

Come on, be serious... Althought this guy was "sick" (crazy ??), he killed people ! Do we have to cry for him, or for the innocents that died ?
Let's stick to the facts, it happens, and as it has been said, if it would have not happened with a gun, it could have been with a knife, a riffle, a bomb, whatever, nothing would have prevent it to not happen.... and it will unfortunately not be the last one...

The only good thing there, is that such people have enough lucidity to kill themselves instead of been caught by the police: it avoids long and expensive trial... not funerals... :P 

With a knife, he would have done less damage and been easier to stop, or perhaps he wouldn't even have started unless he had a gun. There is a difference between a Beretta/Glock 17 and 200 shots of ammo, and a knife/stone/lead pipe.

The laws are OK, but they are not always followed, and there are no controls of gun owners. This is clearly one of the weak spots.

And of course it is adequate after such an occurrence, to ask what went wrong and what could be done better. Don't be silly. It is very clear what went wrong here, too, so there doesn't need to be much discussion.

The killer was sick and murdered people, but he was also a mobbing victim. Thus we have to cry for all of them, if we cry.

Ignoring the mobbing part is bad, because ignorance prevents the finding of solutions.

nothing would have prevent it to not happen

This idea is a) wrong, and b) it's exactly why nothing changes. 

"WHO/WHAT IS TO BLAME"

I don't think that was what we've been doing here. 

Anyone here seen The Dark Knight? Better ban pencils!