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Japan
#16395 posted by Orl on 2009/03/11 21:51:42
Do you need to speak fluent Japanese in Japan, or can you get around with just knowing the English language?
#16396 posted by Zwiffle on 2009/03/12 00:25:23
"Sumimasen."
"Wakarimasen."
"Watashi wa baka desu."
Oterai Wa Doko Ni Arimasuka?
#16397 posted by metlslime on 2009/03/12 01:42:16
Cthulhu Farting?
#16398 posted by ijed on 2009/03/12 01:55:19
#16399 posted by Zwiffle on 2009/03/12 04:34:55
Did you ask "Where is the toilet coming to life?"
Where Is The Toilet?
#16400 posted by metlslime on 2009/03/12 08:25:23
... or has my memory gotten a bit fuzzy since high school japanese class?
Kyooooooooooooooto
#16401 posted by mwh on 2009/03/12 08:35:51
Kyoto is awesome, for all of the two days I spent there, and four days in Japan. We went to Kiyomizu-dera and it was awesome, if Bal says Fushimi Inari is better it's probably worth checking out :)
You can get around without speaking any Japanese in Japan, just expect a certain level of confusion (and not knowing quite what you are eating!).
I even blogged about our trip: http://mikeandemmastravels.blogspot.com/2008/11/japan-day-1.html
Bal
#16402 posted by nitin on 2009/03/12 10:20:53
thanks, had noth the kyoto things marked.
I have gone through 2/3 of the travel guide and already there's way too much stuff that I ahve marked (including a highly unlikely but would be cool if I could trip to ogasawara-shoto.
have you been to himeji-jo? pics definitely look inspiring.
Mwh
#16403 posted by nitin on 2009/03/12 10:24:34
thanks for the link, nice pics!
Nitin
#16404 posted by bal on 2009/03/12 11:54:18
Yeah Himeji is very nice, best to go there from Kyoto as a one day trip, no need to stay there the night. There's a garden outside the castle that is very nice too, forgot the name, they sell tasty anago there (conger eel sushi, yummy).
It's alot better than the Osaka castle, if you're planning on going to Himeji, Osaka Castle isn't worth the trouble I think.
Ogasawara-shoto looks cool. I'd still like to illegaly get into Gunkanjima sometime, know some people who've done it and they took some friggin awesome photos.
Oh And...
#16405 posted by bal on 2009/03/12 12:00:41
Since I remade my site recently, my photo gallery is gone, but I still have some Himeji photos on Picasa:
http://picasaweb.google.com/benoit.stordeur/JapanHimeji#
(Also some photos of Dotonburi, which I talked about in my previous post: http://picasaweb.google.com/benoit.stordeur/JapanOsaka# ).
Stuttgart Anyone
#16406 posted by bamby on 2009/03/12 18:48:01
what's the feeling there?
Southern Germany Sucks, Humbahumba
#16407 posted by Spirit on 2009/03/12 18:57:20
Obviously the Egoshooter (yes, that's what FPS are called in Germany) Counter-Strike - where you get extra points if you use a shotgun to kill the stroller pushing grannies - has killed some people. Even though that dude was said to not being "interested in computers or the internet".
#16408 posted by Trinca on 2009/03/12 22:21:13
Bayern Muchen suckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
Don't Feel Too Bad
#16409 posted by HeadThump on 2009/03/13 05:41:21
or has my memory gotten a bit fuzzy since high school japanese class?
I had two years of French in High School, two years in college. Can I speak French? Absolutely not.
I Recall,
#16410 posted by HeadThump on 2009/03/13 05:56:22
Obviously the Egoshooter (yes, that's what FPS are called in Germany) Counter-Strike - where you get extra points if you use a shotgun to kill the stroller pushing grannies - has killed some people. Even though that dude was said to not being "interested in computers or the internet".
I recall reading a blog between the creator of the Irrlicht engine and a developer working one of the Cryteck games, both Germans, talking about how the developers of shooters are treated like child rapist in Germany. We get the same irrationality here, of course.
As every one knows, Columbine was blamed on Doom under the theory that the virtual blows suffered by the teenagers during the game by those fucking imps caused the boys more psychological trauma than the actual blows suffered at the hands of jocks in the fucked up culture of our High Schools. Slashdot did an excellent report on this at the time.
At the risk of adding to unscientific findings in the ways common to media and politicians because I know little on the subject, I have seen convincing reports showing that a common element of past shooting sprees has been the prescription of psychotropic antidepressants.
Stuttgart
#16411 posted by gb on 2009/03/13 10:12:42
1. He was under psychotherapy for depressions, but quit (and nothing happened)
2. One of his collegues said he was regularly mobbed in school
3. He shot almost exclusively women (headshots)
4. He was pretty bad at his already second-rate school
5. His dad left his Beretta and several hundred ammo lying around his parents' bedroom (uhm... why? Also, why did his dad have such a weapon?)
6. A chat room post appeared where he says "no one realizes my potential" (but this may be a fake)
7. He had no friends
8. Apparently, no one ever noticed
9. Some say he was a very good shot with his dad's gun, but apparently he fired about 60 shots. He immediately shot at police, too.
10. All of the above came together
:-(
Oh yeah, he also played computer games and watched videos. A neighbor told the press he watched "horror movies" regularly. No one knows what he actually watched, but it's easy to guess what he played. The same stuff that millions of other people are playing.
I get the impression that the family had moved there from some other place a while ago. If that's true, he was the new kid at school. I may be wrong here though.
The press and politicians claim that it is impossible to explain why he did it. Now this makes *me* want to shoot *them*. It's pretty obvious IMO.
Several people made mistakes, basically.
Nothing will change, of course, and the countdown to the next one has already started.
Also, Germany has a three-tier school system, tier 1 meaning good success and posh kids, tier 3 meaning failure and no job. He was in tier 2, but barely made it. He had gotten a job afterwards, but IDK about the details. Yup, he was out of school for a short while already.
You can only go to college when you finish tier 1; tier 2 ppl normally get medium to bad jobs, if at all. Tier 3's outlook is coal black. It's also due to the current job situation etc. But of course, the guy had personal problems, too.
It has to be noted that the amok run of Erfurt (2002) happened at a tier 1 school though; in that case, the guy shot mainly teachers. Erfurt is in Eastern Germany (again a different situation). He had been fired from his school and thus officially failed (a regional problem). Thus he, too, had a pretty bad outlook (especially considering where he lived).
Plus, what Spirit said. It happened in a smallish town, not actually in Stuttgart. In very southern Germany (ie, a conservative environment). Southern Germany has relatively good economy, while the East and North aren't so prosperous (Berlin, for example, is piss-poor like the rest of the East). It's directly inverse, though, when it comes to progress and personal liberties vs. conservativism. I wouldn't want to live in the South. Incidentally, there is also a confessional split; the South is practically Catholic, while the East is protestant and most people in the North aren't very religious at all. The East has a huge Nazi problem though (this tells me that poverty makes people Nazis, apparently). But I digress.
I don't claim 100% correctness here, but it should come reasonably close.
#16412 posted by Spirit on 2009/03/13 10:15:51
6 is a fake and that was proven yesterday via the Google Cache: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b747f229
It's amazing how the print media is full of it today. Frontpage stories even. Quoting the ~police that "it's definitely not a fake" Can't wait to have this incompetent morons try to censor the internet...
Even So, If It Comes Down To It
#16413 posted by gb on 2009/03/13 10:47:27
He had problems in school, was mobbed by classmates, had problems with girls, had no friends, was clinically depressed, saw no future, and was maybe smarter than you would guess. And then he found a gun.
A frighteningly common story, huh. Up until that last point (and now imagine we had no gun control).
Guilty parties:
Himself (pulling the trigger)
Classmates (mobbing, failing to help, social failure)
Parents (wtf happened with the gun?)
Perhaps teachers (failure to notice and take action)
School system
Social system
Health system
Economy
... bah, it's impossible to explain, really. Let's go to church (at least once), cry, and then forget about it...
Oh, wait, I forgot "computer games".
:-(
In Addition To The Whole Situation Being Horrible
#16414 posted by bear on 2009/03/13 10:58:20
I find the lack of originality in all these shootings rather depressing, if you're going out with a bang can't you at least be a little bit creative?
And If You Have To Blame Some Kind Of Media
#16415 posted by bear on 2009/03/13 11:33:48
the similarity in these actions seems to suggest that the news media is a better suspect than games/movies.
Most Of It
#16416 posted by ijed on 2009/03/13 13:24:52
Is sensationalist pap aimed at idiots (the media) so I don't take it seriously.
The biggest causal factor is access to guns.
Fair enough these individuals could use a machete or similar, but they'll do alot less damage and but stopped immediately when the law enforcement or even a security guard arrives.
It always surprises me how they have this massive list of mental issues but still have no problem getting hold of a weapon.
In this case he stole it from his dad, but even so.
Social failings are to blame, society as a whole - that's why the media wants to find scapegoats, because another failing is that we usually can't stomach the truth.
Yeah
#16417 posted by megaman on 2009/03/13 16:41:00
the "we have no idea why he did it" made me angry, too. Guess they're pretending to don't know so they don't have to confess to failure.
I look at pictures of the guy and immediately think "a person with personal problems". I would have stayed away from him if i had met him in, say, university.
#16418 posted by gb on 2009/03/13 18:54:29
Looks like his dad had 15 guns at home. Legally. (Well, not locking them away is illegal, though). His son regularly trained at a shooting club.
Umm, I thought we had gun control in this country. No one needs 15 guns for anything. I can understand if you have a sports weapon at home, of course.
It is indeed the case that access to guns is still too easy.
There are relatively strict laws about guns, but apparently they're only followed loosely by gun clubs and gun dealers (and gun owners). For example the parts that say what kind of gun you can have are often not taken seriously. As in the case of the Erfurt guy (he was at a shooting club, too, and an arms dealer didn't take the laws too seriously and sold him a Glock and a pump gun).
Idiots. The dad should go to jail, definitely. His gun was used to kill 15 people because he was lazy with it.
Some guy from the shooting clubs said that the guns could not be locked away at the club, "because there is no way to control that".
Har har, how is it better if Daddy takes his collection home and "controls" it there?!
German soldiers are NOT allowed to take their assault rifles home, btw. They are locked away at the camp and apparently it IS possible to control THAT, since they rarely get stolen or used in massacres, unlike shooting club guns.
Ah well. It happened now. The sad part is that nothing really changes.
Toy Soldiers
#16419 posted by Zwiffle on 2009/03/13 21:30:48
Bl1tz: Really??
http://kotaku.com/5169468/fear-2-toy-soldiers-dlc-is-gigantic-and-free
Can't say I'm a fan of giant maps like that, and this really doesn't fit the FEAR theme.
Having said that, I can not wait for this. It looks really badass.
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