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Posted by Shambler on 2003/05/11 15:08:47 |
I thought a trio of themed threads about other entertainment media might be good. If you're not interested, please just ignore the thread and pick some threads that interest you from here: http://celephais.net/board/view_all_threads.php
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 Headthump
#1480 posted by nitin on 2006/04/15 23:27:16
I wasnt referring to convoluted in regards to time travel, like you said it's the standard time travel plot.
How about explaining the sudden romanticism between the two that develops over two seconds, or the sheer bullshitness of her taking him in (yes I know it's christmas eve etc) and the numerous paradoxes that the script fails to address.
Sorry if I'm ranting, but I've seen too many half baked scripts lately (also see below).
#1481 posted by nitin on 2006/04/15 23:28:54
Stay - another pseudo intellectual script that's not as intricate or clever as it thinks it is. Marc Foster seems to realise this and imbues the film with a billion visual tricks, some actually quite nifty. But none of it can really hide the flaws in the script. It's comptetently made and acted, but there's nothing in there that really satisfies you.
5.5/10
Elizabethtown - another turgid mess of a script, this time from Cameron Crowe. Essentially a meandering, lumbering and dull attempt at a coming of age story. Doesnt really give much to the actors to work with and they arent really good enough to rise above the material.
5/10
 It Could Be Cultural Differences
#1482 posted by HeadThump on 2006/04/16 01:57:02
or the sheer bullshitness of her taking him in (yes I know it's christmas eve etc
but taking in strays just doesn't strike me as that big of a deal, esp. since Kiera's character had a good reason to feel a kinship with Brody's character, even if at the time it may have been inexplicable to her.
I would like your take on some of the paradoxes; you likely noted things that I missed.
 Headthump
#1483 posted by nitin on 2006/04/16 19:51:49
fair enough, that and the sudden romanticim came across as too contrived for me. And I dont buy the kinship since upon their first meeting in the future, all he did was fix their car once.
Regarding paradox stuff, cant recall all bits specifically but the fact the he learns that he helps cure the kid but then also learns how to cure the kid in the future. If he had to learn how to cure the kid by going to the future, how could Keira have known that he helped cure him (as it hadnt happened yet) ?
 And Two More
#1484 posted by nitin on 2006/04/16 19:53:08
King Kong - Is it overlong and self indulgent ? Yes.
Is it Fun ? Sort of.
I actually enjoyed the first third more than the middle which went on far too long for my liking and with some very dodgy CGI. The 3 tyro fight was pretty well executed though. I also like the last third but felt that parts of it were too sentimental and romanticised. The effects work was probably at its best here too.
Naomi Watts again delivers (she is by far my favorite actress going around), putting in arguably the best blue screen performance to date.
Could have cut out the Jimmy character in its entirety without losing anything except a crap reference to Heart of Darkness.
6.5/10
Le Samourai - A bit too simple and lean to call great but there's no denying the understated brilliance of Jean Pierre Melville's crime/gangster classic. A man in complete control of the material, Melville strips down the crime film to its bare essentials with great attention to detail. Well worth a watch.
7.5/10
 Good Example You Gave
#1485 posted by HeadThump on 2006/04/16 21:21:09
While paradox is very difficult to avoid in Time Travel stories, that would qualify as a gaping plot whole you could drive a truck through. I saw
the movie when it first came out on DVD, but from what I can recall you are most likely right about the sequence disorder.
 Heh, Hole,
#1486 posted by HeadThump on 2006/04/16 21:31:02
HT's homonymicaly impaired.
#1487 posted by nitin on 2006/04/21 21:01:44
Dark Water - not a big fan of the original, I only saw this because of Connelly and because my brother wanted to see it. Competently acted and surprisingly retains most of the plot and structure of the original. Despite not being a fan of Hideo Nakata's film, it was definitely much better than this, stronger drama and tighter direction.
5/10
Layer Cake - dull attempt to make another movie, although slightly harderedged, in the Lock Stock vein. Daniel Craig is quite good (finally understood whyhe was chosen for Bond) and its photographed nicely, but the script is all continuous exposition of new subplots and characters pretty much the whole way through, so much so that it doesnt leave room for much else. Sienna Miller looks hot too.
5.5/10
Whirlpool - classified as a noir, this is actually a so-so melodrama by Otto Preminger. The acting ranges from decent to bad throughout the film, as does the script. Suffers from the same issues that plagued Hitch's Spellbound as it treads similar psychoanalysis territory.
5/10
Domino - This must have crossed the "so bad it's good" line very early on because I kept watching even though it had a trainwreck of a script and the zenith of MTV type direction that just assualted your senses. Tony Scott's a hack, but this was even beyond his abilities, he must have had some help to direct something like this.
Still, it's sort of entertaining for a while till it just keeps going on and on (it's over 2 hrs, which is ar too long fo rsomething like this).
4/10
 Dark Water With Spoilers
#1488 posted by bambuz on 2006/04/22 07:12:06
I saw the original a few years back... I think there's some pondering of social trends there, like how kids are left alone so much nowadays (same in ring, parents are never around and kids just watch tv)... And then there's the whole theme of the mother abandoning the baby. With the elevator and the filthy water and all. Dunno, maybe I'm reading into things too much.
 Bambuz
#1489 posted by nitin on 2006/04/22 17:36:14
you're right, they are definitely there, and I was surprised they kind of ported those over to the remake too since it was marketed as a horror film there which it isnt really.
#1490 posted by nitin on 2006/04/22 18:09:45
From Russia With Love - dont know why this is regarded as one of the best along with Goldfinger, I found it exceptionally tacky and boring.
3/10
Audition - Probably best to see this without any knowledge of the plot (although the cover gives a lot away) but suffice to say it finishes up completely different to where it started. There are not so subtle hints along the way as to where this is headed, but none of them still prepare you for the impact when it arrives. Havent seen any other stuff by Takeshi Miike but this was quite impressive. Dont know how well it would work a scond time around though.
7/10
 Nitin:
#1491 posted by metlslime on 2006/04/22 18:47:23
From Russia With Love - dont know why this is regarded as one of the best along with Goldfinger...
Well, people who like From Russia With Love (such as myself) like it becuase it's the least gadgety, gimmicky, and science-fictiony of the Bond movies (For Your Eyes Only is another one.) It feels more like an actual espionage film -- no death satellites, no world held hostage, etc.
I actually don't think Goldfinger is as good as people think -- it's got a good theme song, Pussy Galore, Oddjob, and the "i expect you to die" scene, but aside from that, Bond is a fairly unimpressive superagent and spends most of the movie letting his female friends die, and being goldfinger's prisoner.
 Are Those
#1492 posted by megaman on 2006/04/23 06:06:25
the timothy dalton bond movies?
I always liked those - way better than normal bond :)
 A Friend Pointed Out
#1493 posted by bambuz on 2006/04/23 15:43:09
that timothy dalton is too "feeling" for a Bond in the vein of the previous ones. He always seems somehow sulking and devastated and saying to the girls like "how do you feel?". Others womanized and shot people like hell, and were mentally rock-solid the whole time... Talk about psychopathy.
 Metl
#1494 posted by nitin on 2006/04/23 17:31:30
yeah it was definitely more Bond the secret agent rather than Bond the action hero, but I guess I just didnt find it interesting enough as an espionage film.
Megaman,
no this the second Bond film, with Sean Connery.
#1495 posted by nitin on 2006/04/27 03:24:13
Land of The Dead - pretty good zombie flick with a nice dosage of subtext from Romero. Not exactly subtle in its critique, but it is reasonably effective. Of course, it works nicely as a zombie flick plain and simple, though the lack of any real narrative does hurt it a bit.
7/10
40 yr Old Virgin - I must have seen a completely different movie to most people because despite it being highly recommended and also one of the most well reviewed movies from last year, I found it extremely unfunny. I had heard a lot of things about a witty script, but this is as far from witty as I could imagine.
3/10
Le Cercle Rouge - Usually there are a handful of films that define a genre and showcase its highpoints. Sometimes there is one film that does it all. This is that film for the heist genre.
Jean Pierre Melville's masterpiece is impeccably acted, beautifully shot and directed by a man who knows he is in complete control. The confidence of the director in his material is exuded in almost every scene.
9/10
According to imdb, John Woo is currently working on a remake and although he is a massive Melville fan, IMHO there is no way he can replicate the brilliance if it aims to make any money whatsoever.
Cinderella Man - nice looking, feel good against the odds boxing film, mediocrely directed by Howard as usual but with two very good performances from Crowe and Giamatti that stops it from becoming too sappy. It does go on for far too long for what it is given that there is zero character development for any character. Overall though, worth a watch.
7/10
Tombstone - Second viewing, the first was a while back, I still dont like it. It just looks horribly forced, from the acting to the directing to the music. Val Kilmer is the one saving grace but he just draws attention to the ordinariness of the rest of the production.
4.5/10
The Girl with a Pearl Earring - Plodding, dull and uninteresting, mainly due to miscasting of the principle leads. Colin Firth was very unconvincing as Vermeer. Scarlett has a certain acting style (that she always adheres to) which works very well in some roles and makes her look like a lost puppy dog in others. In this one, she comes across as the latter.
3.5/10
A Beautiful Mind - Second viewing of this too and its still how I recall it from the first time round. Apart from a handful of scenes in the second half where Crowe flexes some acting muscles and Connelly lends good support, this is an awful awful film. The script is mostly to blame in my eyes, and then the hamfisted direction.
4.5/10
Wallace and Gromit - CotWR - Quite good, reaosnably witty and funny and the claymation is brilliant. Much better than some of the recent cropt of compuetr animated films like Madagascar and co.
7/10
 Cinderella Man
#1496 posted by HeadThump on 2006/04/27 08:51:38
I liked it too, esp. Giamatti and Crowe, and the actor who played Max Boer (am I remembering the right boxer, here?) should not be overlooked as his performance was well done. There was one incredibly bad distraction in the movie, Renee Zellweger's accent; it sounded comicaly contrived, like a WB cartoon character from the Bugs Bunny era more that an actual person.
 Renee
#1497 posted by nitin on 2006/04/28 03:31:20
sucks. I dont know why she still gets movies, she's not really all that good looking and she certainly cant act.
#1498 posted by nitin on 2006/05/02 05:06:02
Love and Death - Some of Woody Allen's work is brilliant but this effort is one of the unfunniest and forced attempts at comedy I've seen since...well The 40 Yr Old Virgin. Hard to believe its from the same person who made Annie Hall, Manhattan and Crimes & Misdemeanors.
3/10
The Missing � surprised that this was a Ron Howard film, I counted exactly 3 instances of trademark howard sentimentality. That�s pretty good for a 130 min film. Not that this is well directed, an average directing job at best. But the performances are good, tommy lee jones and cate blanchett rising far above the material, and the script is reasonably decent even though its overlong and doesn�t really know how to end. Could have been better but not a bad attempt.
6/10
Pickpocket - I'm unable to pinpoint why exactly but I quite liked this. It goes against so many things that I think should be part of good films, yet it's very very easy to stay glued to the screen.
Voiceovers for information that acting should provide and completely neutral acting are the two prime examples of what I was referring to above. But used here, they work brilliantly. Having said all of that, I didnt quite find the end as moving as was intended.
Also, this would have to have been an influence on Taxi Driver to some extent.
7.5/10
Head in the Clouds - badly written, badly acted period drama. Stay well away.
3/10
Look Both Ways - very good debut from Sarah Watt with strong characterisations and a nicely woven screenplay, which although a little overscripted at times, is a welcome change from most australian scripts. I liked the nce use of animation throughout the film and the actors do a reasonably good job of bringing the story to the screen.
Steps into cliche territrory every now and then but on the whole, quite a quality film. Pity about the interlaced dvd transfer.
7.5/10
The Cooler - competently acted but awfully scripted movie that never quite knows what it wants to be and also runs through the cliche book, making sure none are left out. In the end I was quite underwhelmed despite the good performances by Macy, Baldwin and Bello.
5/10
#1499 posted by nitin on 2006/05/18 05:18:52
Sleeper - Slightly better than Love and Death, but still not that good and definitely far below Allen's best work. You can see glimpses of what he would go on to do but this is fairly pedestrain material.
4/10
Assassination of Richard Nixon - works on most levels mainly due to an exceptional performance by Penn. Comparisons to Taxi Driver are hard to avoid and whereas that was a perfect venture into the disturbed mind, this suffers from never really making a credible enough transition for its character from self pitying loser to deranged psychopath. Still worth a watch for some brilliant acting.
7/10
Bandits - Picks up a bit once Blanchett is introduced but the script is terrible. And Bruce Willis is extremely annoying.
3.5/10
Frenzy - minor Hitchcock, but above avergae with some brilliant sequences. Unfortunately the characters are very unlikeable, the pacing is quite off and the whole thing isnt as good as the abovementioned sequences.
6.5/10
The Producers (2005) - Without even comparing it to the original movie, it is a poor attempt at a comedy/musical. Broderick is way out of his league in both singing and comedy. Lane is passable, Ferell is reasonable (till you start comparing at which point even he is second rate) and Thurman is not bad.
If you make a comparison, its the same film but with all that made the first one work and unfunny musical numbers and new jokes put back in.
4/10
Pride and Prejudice - Apart from being exceptionally well shot, it's not very good. The acting is ok, it's definitely not an oscar worthy performance from Knightley who is fairly stiff along with MacFardyen. Overal plot which I presume is from the novel is decent, but how it's been adapted into a screenplay is a bit of a mess.
5.5/10
Intacto - Spanish film (with some exchanges in English) set in a (real) world where Luck is a commodity that can be lost and acquired. Basically certain people have the capability of acquiring other people's luck and using it for their own advantage while condemning their 'victims' to ill fortune of various degrees. Script is heavy on plot, bit short onc haracterisation but it's quite stylish and the overall plot is failry interesting. Impressively Shot too.
7/10
 Nitin
#1500 posted by megaman on 2006/05/23 15:34:52
keep up the nice reviews!
 Nitin
#1501 posted by JPL on 2006/05/23 23:19:24
How do you have so many time to watch all these movies ? Do you work in a cinema or what ?
 Jpl
#1502 posted by nitin on 2006/05/24 01:18:42
no. Just have lots of dvds :)
Plus given that my old computer could not play any new games, I could use some of that spare time.
Also, my current job lets me get home at a decent hour.
Plus I obviously have no life :)
 House Of Sand And Fog
#1503 posted by Tronyn on 2006/05/25 20:22:46
I was very impressed. Prior to this I'd thought of Jennifer Connelly just as an actress who was often in good movies (Dark City has been a favourite of mine since it came out). However, I didn't really see her do any really standout acting until this movie. Maybe I forgot how much bite Requiem for a Dream had, or just the crazy mother's acting performance in that film overshadowed all others. The script for this movie was quite good, making a tragedy is hard, I think they fucked up 1 character for the sake of the plot, but still, overall it is very good and given the characters involved, fairly convincing. Anyway, Connelly does an excellent job, Kingsley's performance as Colonel Behrani might be even better but as I'm a guy I think I prefer her. Plus the fact that she always plays a lonely, depressed, often drug-addicted, but still incredibly hot young woman, erm, tends to sucker a lot of sympathy out of, ahem, stable and successful individuals like me.
 Tronyn
#1504 posted by nitin on 2006/05/26 02:39:51
yeah it is good, I thought the plotting was a little contrived but the actin more than made up for it. I like connelly in most the stuff she's done, but yes she dos eem to have one haracter down pat, although with usually sufficent subtle differences.
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