The only bad bit was the boss fight.

It was still a clever idea, but a pain in the balls to play.

The rest of the level is great; good evil. 

Another very nice, detailed 2-map pack for ZDoom in atmospheric base style. Has exporational bits and a few new monsters including Cyberbarons.

http://www.doomworld.com/php/screenie.php?dir=/images/newstuff/325/&filename=thunpeak01.png
http://www.doomworld.com/php/screenie.php?dir=/images/newstuff/325/&filename=thunpeak05.png

-> http://www.doomworld.com/idgames/?id=15409 

I ran out of ammo at one point and had to axe some grunts to death and scavenge their shells.

The red enforcer shield mechanic is really not very clear. I remembered how it worked, but also discovered how useless it is hammering at them with the DBS. Something similar to the Zer shield that makes use of quake's "red particles = hurting"/"grey particles = not hurting" thing would have been much more intuitive.

There were a couple points where I sensed ambushes, half because they were obvious and half because I vaguely remembered setting them up three years ago. Some of those ambushes instilled in me a prescient irritation.

And I had trouble figuring out my own boss. :P 

btw, Generation Kill pwns (obviously)

I've admire David Simon's work since he wrote Homicide. His technical thoroughness puts the discipline of sociology to shame. 

Lun got pwned by his own map. Ace!

Negke, those look good - very Quake quality architecture.

Can someone explain Z-Doom to me?? I need to buy Doom, then install Z-Doom, then I can play with mouse / keyboard / remappable keys etc etc?? 

Is still something I'm not sure about. The Quoth Deathlord works ok, but I'm not sure how much gameplay 'worth' he'd lose without the shield.

Those red enforcer captains in lunsp1 were only killable with nails, really, since they didn't switch to a close combat attack when the player got close (like a deathknight) so their spread attack multiplied in danger when getting close.

The only really irritating ambush I remember is the vore at the top of the lift - basically forcing the player to snipt its bounding box from below and wear down its health - seemed drawn out.

The main problem for me with the boss is that he leads me when aiming on skill 3, turning the battle into a quicksave spamming session.

But these problems were completely outweighed by the amount of cool stuff in there.

Looking forward to sp2. 

Yes, it works pretty much like with Quake engine ports. You can even drag&drop pwads onto zdoom.exe if you don't want to mess around with a command line. Controls, appearance etc can be configured from the menu.

If you like those, give KDIZD a try. 

The megaenforcer shield has always been broken, somtimes on / off aside from the visual fx.

And it was only ever an annoyance, for me at least. 

I loved your map, but I havent managed to complete it yet!! :P

But this means that I will play it again!
It is very immersive, and massive, and tense. There are cool bits where you are running round a "circuit" through different rooms, with guys shooting at you across water, the player just running around and returning fire as they go, around and around until threats were cleared 

I was going to mention that too. Caught me totally off guard, but there's ways to kill vores without hiding, namely, run around like a madman and let the voreballs queue up behind you, then shake them later.

Vores really aren't used very well in maps, since usually the designer just throws them in solo in places where the player can easy just snipe from around corners. Since they almost always achieve priority-one status in any combat they show up in because of their lethality and how much attention they require, they're best when there's fiends and knights chasing you about, invalidating cover spots and making you deal with the vore in the less convenient and more dangerous but still possible to avoid all damage way. 

Zer mega-enforcer was cool, always liked the shield idea on that, possibly the best "nu-gameplay" thing in Quake until Quoth's flying snot things came along. 

i thought they were a cool concept, but none of the mods that use it seemed to do a great job of communicating exactly when the shield is up vs. down, and whether I can do partial damage or no damage when the shield is up. I end up just shooting at the enemies continuously until they die.

Some better audiovisual presentation, plus maybe more time between raising and lowering events (so it doesn't seem to just randomly turn on/off) would help. 

you know, like romulans. 

Never thought of AvP soundtrack as an alternative Quake score. Gotta try it. Thanks for the advice, Lun! 

tracks 2-10: pants for quake
tracks 11-15: awesome for quake 

is there some link you could post with all the info on doom engines and new doom wads?
What are some of the best wads? I've never played any non id maps, other than that one qboard thing. 

http://www.doomworld.com/

There is a great review site I have in mind, I'll get back with you when I find it again :) 

http://games.moria.org.uk/doom/du/index.html

My only problem with playing Doom and Doom II is a sense of nausea I get after playing for a while. Not an aesthetic criticism!, but a real headache/nausea feeling. I have an eye stigma condition that is probably the source of the problem. Anyway . . . there you go! 

after a while as well. So did Hexen/Dark Forces/Duke3D/etc so I always just put it down to the partial 3D. 

congrats Lunaran on Post #15,000 

and I used the words "quake", "awesome", and "pants" for it 

If you have ever had folders/files in windows that you could not delete because they were protected somehow (example : a windows vista installation that you don't use any more) then this little freeware app can help you out.

http://ccollomb.free.fr/unlocker 

handy little gadget! :) 

 

With the questions concerning Doom popping up, I was looking for some older levels that enjoyed in the day. Could this be you?

http://games.moria.org.uk/doom/du/reviews/darkeden.html