I thought 960 was a good standard. I still think the Quake wiki looks better now it's 960 px wide.

960 for president!!!

http://960.gs/ 

Also full screen is for gay penguins. 

Aren't you the free choice zealot around here? 

president.

Actually I think you should be able to choose how it appears. With a button. 

This is your first strike, mister.

I only support free choices if they are mine. 

Remind me to copy http://www.quaddicted.com/apple-touch-icon.png to the Wiki as well. 

You just made func xbox live. Well, not really.

I haven't contributed or weighed in on this yet, so I'll just leave it as a floating threat.

I'm surprised you didn't ask for help on this before, there's almost tens people who can happily while away the hours banging on about quake.

Man, I miss having a pc. Maybe I'll go to linux as well, seeing as all the cool people are doing it.

Drunken rambling aside, this is a great idea. 

http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Getting_Started_Mapping

Go ahead and fix any of my stupid spelling or grammar mistakes, and feel free to add any internal/external links you think would benefit.

I plan to go further with a follow-up that will cover vertex editing, clipping, doors, targeting entities, and all that other misc 'advanced' stuff.

Spirit: I fucking hate Matching cases in article names... the menu on the left refers to 'Getting started mapping' in that casing, which looks retarded as an article name, so I am using caps. 

The font really needs sorting out though, even if it's just temporary, the letters seem too close together at the moment.

Spirit: Thanks for pointing out I was looking at the wrong wiki - the one you linked is a lot cleaner and easier to read. I didn't think the wikia one was bad though.

Oh, it's my lunch break right now, so I just added a little info about info_null and then created a page for map based hacks for someone more knowledgeable than myself to start adding stuff to: http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Map_based_hacks
Feel free to rename the page or do whatever you like. I just thought it would be good to get a page on map/entity hacking up asap so that specific hack information could easily be added.

If Preach and/or Negke could rewrite the little stub intro I wrote and add any other relevant info to it, that would be awesome.

If I have some time tonight, I'll look again at creating some templates and try and get the design of the entity pages sorted out so that it's easier to add and looks a bit cleaner. 

"Hands off my article, don't edit that!" "It's not your article, it's mine!" "Your text sucks!" "You're all wrong!" Revert! Revert! Revert! 

Your text sucks! 

ijed: Not sure what you are talking about. I always asked for help with Quaddicted. I hope people do not consider quakewiki.org my project though, I host it and help, I don't want anything more than that.

Scampie: The menu is not dynamic so that was my fault(?). See http://quakewiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar . Bloody great tutorial! 

I just noticed that QuakeTree and I have both added an article about "vanilla quake". I used lower case for both words (incorrect) and he used upper case for both words (correct in this case, since Quake is a pronoun).

This means we have two articles with approximately the same information on different pages with almost identical names :/

http://quakewiki.org/wiki/vanilla_quake
http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Vanilla_Quake

By the way, I don't think we should overuse terms like Vanilla Quake, since it's best to stick to just Quake, unless we are trying to specify that it is stock Quake rather than a modded version of Quake. 

Always keep an eye on http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges

I'll do whatever you guys prefer (apart from the width). Could you guys live with titles like "Cl_forwardspeed" or

Table formatting is fucking idiotic in Mediawiki. ARRAGRHAGRHGHRGAHH. Dokuwiki is SO much nicer in this regard. 

http://www.quakewiki.net/archives/spog/stuff/technical.html

CZG dug it up, it's a good write up of map / bsp (it's for Quake 3, but most of this should be accurate for Quake).

I'll volunteer to update and extend the parts about brushes / faces by adding

- Info about the difference between integer and floating point coordinates for plane points.
- How vertices are computed.
- Why floating point plane coordinates can be problematic.

Maybe Tyrann could glance over the BSP stuff? 

Do not copy other people's stuff! The wiki is GFDL, your content has to be compatible. You could rewrite it of course or try to get permission from spog. 

I was thinking of adding the information here: http://www.gamers.org/dEngine/quake/QDP/qmapspec.html

as an article '.map format'

perhaps we can combine them? 

literally do not care about 'plagiarism'. part of this documentation is to save and organize all the old things that are floating about so that the information is accessible again. 

Spirit, I know your stance on this, but in these cases... well, I'll probably rewrite it anyway.

Scampie, the QDP stuff is good, but mostly interesting to people like me who want to write an editor. I guess combining them in the form of your own or my own writeup would be good. 

http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_Map_Format

Just as a start of a structure for this, but I think we can add in definitions of brush planes and such in the brush definitions so it can be of as much use to people writing an editor as it is to general designers who want to know more. 

There is nothing to discuss about. The wiki is GFDL. If you do not like that then find yourself another host and start from scratch. 

and the reason is that the two previous wikis, on which we are building upon are GFDL. plus why not do it right this time? if those who documented before would have worked under a free license, then we wouldn't have any issue. 

anyway...

http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_Map_Format

this is written by me, with a new simple map by me, so it's FREE (like beer, or birds) INFORMATION. feel free to add to it sleepy or whoever, I'm not sure how much more is really needed 

just fixed the entity page, which referred to the missing article 'vanilla_Quake' 

should write this page
http://quakewiki.org/wiki/Quake_BSP_Format