some months ago I was dicking around with Air Quake source and Dark Places with the intention of making some high(er) poly md3 models for it. I added a func_model type entity to the Air Quake source, designed a bouy type model and texture to test it with, and I added it to a map.

The md3 model showed up, but the texture didn't. I tried the various recommendations in the vast DP literature, and none of them worked to bring the skin in.

So I then converted the model to a Quake mdl, and indexed the colors of the skin texture to the Quake pallette. It showed up in game perfectly, not the mdl model, but the md3 and the md3 skin! So, apparently you need to have an mdl version for DP to recognize an external
skin. 

I'm not sure, but I think you can from QC request skins/frames from ext texes that don't exist in the 8-bit mdl/spr.

Of course, it won't work so well then if you disable ext texes or don't support them. 

I see about the engines allowing external skins, and metlslime, I imagine you would use some sort of naming convention (eg: wizard_skin00.tga, wizard_skin01.tga) to support multiple additional skins in these engines.
Still, you have to include these new files somehow. I have always imagined these map hacks were useful mainly for maps that you don't want to bother zipping up properly or include a readme (speedmaps) or maps you want to run on vanilla Quake with no extra assets.

HeadThump - I know that with md2 models and some engines, you have to preserve the original paths of a model (where to look for the skin is hard-coded in the model). So if Quake 2 installs a model at: models/monsters/gladiator/tris.md2 (model) models/monsters/gladiator/gladiator.pcx (skin)

... you have to rename the files (the skin at least) and preserve these paths under a Q1 mod directory. The same may be true of Q3. 

.. sounds like when you converted your md3 to mdl, it was able to find the skin (treating it as an external skin) because mdl models aren't as fussy about paths. 

It's been a while since I visited my little project, but I think I'll see if that possibilaty is the case.

I checked the paths at the time to see if they matched up, but I may have only done so relative to the mod path and not the models internal structure, thus missing a crucial subdirectory. 

the thing I'm worried about is that "replacing a texture that exists in the mdl" might be a feature of a number of engines, but it seems completely up to chance whether each implementation happens to work even when the texture isn't in the mdl file.

So you could try it, and it could work in some engines, but who knows which ones. 

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If you have new skins you to include external files for the custom model right? In that case you might as well create a custom progs and run it as a mod.
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Yeah, but the thread theme is about making new stuff without new progs.dat, so I believe it's still on-topic :). 

Can I increase it with superdamagefinished as for monsters? If so how - because it'll need to be set for coop as well. I'm guessing this will be more difficult than a standard monster hack . . .

The idea is to boost the players close combat attack to make it a viable alternative to the SSG and not just the SG. And make it a choice against tougher creatures, since I've omitted knights from my pack.

I reckon about the same damage as a rocket, so two hits would kill and ogre, four a shalrath - though I'd have to playtest alot so as not to unbalence the game. 

Also, quad wwould affect all weapons, not just the axe. 

It was just a thought, maybe for the next time. It�d also affect alot of things, eg. it�d be easy to lose ammo backpack pickups by gibbing too many monsters. 

Any way to use stuffcmd in a map ent?? 

it is possible in Quoth Pack. Just use info_command or trigger_command, and and your command in the message field. Maybe you should ask Kell or necros for further details. 

to a bug in info_command in Quoth; there should always be a newline "\n" at the end of the string, otherwise the engine might not execute the command properly.

The Quoth doc doesn't include this information. 

I want to do a coop map. It would be nice if there was a way to broadcast a message to all players (like "the gate is open"). The closest thing I could find is ClientDisconnect(), but that still bprints "left the game." after the message that I put in .netname. Is there some way to hide that 2nd message? I tried flooding it off the screen but it didn't work. It just moves my message up on the console. 

 

sprint() ? 

Umm... bprint(), sorry 

Bprint is broadcast print, no? 

I don't know that this one is possible. What you'd really want is a function that has the .netname bit printed *after* the rest of the text, so then you can newline all the previous lines away. However, assuming there are none in the monster files, the only such examples are in the clientobituaries, and only in the messages for client vs client deaths(for example: telefragging). So I don't think there's a way to hack those in. 

That's about what I figured. Just wanted to check with an expert. 

Map is a group of some of the tricks found here and other places. I use it as a way to remember those info_notnull tricks. Please give it a look
and email if I missed something good.

http://www.mediamax.com/mechtech1001/Hosted/maps/progref.rar 

:D 

Maybe it is my winrar, but I get a corrupted file. 

Changed format to zip

http://www.mediamax.com/mechtech1001/Hosted/maps/progref.zip 

That download seems unbelievably slow, can you put it on shub-hub or something? It stalls at 1% here repeatedly.