disregarding all of the arguments for and against I just gained a lot of respect for you Jago. I can't stand Apple and their marketing, they're like a mini-Bill Gates who tries to argue that because they're less successful, they're more virtuous. Even IF Apple offered a better product, I'd still find them bullshit artists. The fact that most of their products they sell at market-high prices due to their name alone, just makes my type of argument easier. They're no different from the next company, they just have a bigger advertising budget, and advertising is for fools. 

is one of the best simple "phones" made in the past few years, you missed a couple of very important points:

- it's VERY cheap, last I saw, they were 45 euro new
- it's durable, I've thrown those against walls with little ill effect (dont ask)
- it's light and relatively small
- the battery life is good 

Tronyn, I actually like many Apple products (ipod, mini, macbook), but simply put I am not their target demographic, since I work with high-end mobile technology for a living. 

"They would also like a pile of dog poo if it was designed by Apple, named iPoo, priced at 500$+ and needing a special proprietary shovel to lift."

These are hardcore Windows users who have never purchased an Apple product in their lives. They LOVE their iPhones. 

"I can't stand Apple and their marketing, they're like a mini-Bill Gates who tries to argue that because they're less successful, they're more virtuous."

When have they ever said that? I think your projecting more than a little here.

"The fact that most of their products they sell at market-high prices due to their name alone, just makes my type of argument easier."

What type of argument? Baseless ranting?

Yes, Apple computers are expensive. If you don't want to buy one, don't. I don't understand why not wanting to buy an Apple computer causes Windows users to get belligerent and mean spirited. 

BAM! Now what, motherfuckers? 

26 new messages and it wasn't a spambot, or shambler fumbling with his cell phone. 

Good old fashioned Apple vs Windows. 

sup 1100 fan buddy. I bought one of those 4 years ago and it cost me �20, and it was great! It did all the basic phone stuff much better than my shitty Motorola does now. Except look cool, but oh well. 

Stay tuned for my exciting Twitter bulletin on the subject, coming soon to a Fecebook near you! 

the official term is Failbook. I know this first-hand. 

..and intend to keep it until i die. and with any luck, even after that. with the C button at hand i'll always have a light to move towards... 

Phones are shit! 

iTunes for Windows is a total pile of shit. Quicktime player for Windows (not the codec itself) is a total pile of shit.

Apple need to hire some competent people to make their Windows software.

There hardware is quite nice I guess. I quite like my nano, though I don't like trying to get files onto it because the software is shit.

p.s. I thought the price of the nano was good actually. 

their hardware.

I know you were all talking about the iPhone in particular, but it started turning into a windows vs mac argument.

Windows is shit, OSX is more modern from what I've seen, but I don't know if I'd say it isn't shit as I've not used it enough. 

I was wondering what you guys thought of these kinds of games. Like starfox 64 and the like... 

Name me one OS that's good.

And then I'll ridicule it and boast how the one I'm using has its problems but is still better than your stupid suggestion.

Necros,

I'd say rail shooters are more of an arcade play style, which isn't necessarily bad - the ones that were good became legenendary. The relatively recent Killer7 was great.

Every once in a while one comes along, and they're generally good because of the immediacy of the play - which allows the team more time to for the polishing of art / AI / cool shit. 

I think I prefered my spam to this discussion :P 

"Apple need to hire some competent people to make their Windows software. "

Stop for a moment and give that one some thought. :) 

I haven't had quicktime for years though as VLC can read that stuff. Qt is a travesty that tries to kill your computer as best as it can. 

It kills Windows. It works great on Mac. :) Although I use VLC on my Mac as well just for convenience. 

yeah, I know they are THE Mac company, but if you are going to release software at all, better at least try and get it right.

Surely they don't write bad Windows software on purpose? 

Nokia 5110 is the best phone ever released.
http://www.compxcell.co.za/images/nokia5110.gif

Even better battery life, [i]much[/i] more durable, and a better keypad that allows for faster messaging. And you can use the screen as a light.

It kills Windows. It works great on Mac. :) Although I use VLC on my Mac as well just for convenience.

Didn't you just reinforce his point? :)

Name me one OS that's good.

VigilOS is pretty great actually, and even better when you use WorldVigilRadiant (WVR) for mapping. 

You can use your 5110 to stab people, and it's heavy enough to cause some damage when thrown. Like a CCW, only you can make calls with it. 

blows. Not sure if it's intentional (doubt that). I guess the problem is that Apple generally has very small teams working on their software, and I don't believe that the Windows team is an exception.