gavin.edgington[at]gmail[dot]com 

 

So far I feel like this is kind of a huge step back in a lot of ways from version 1.

- bring back ctrl d duplicate. Please.
- Would like to bind keys without needing ctrl as a modifier, I like to snap to grid using space bar (like all the time). That is unless you have fixed the issue of wandering vertices
- Would like to WASD without having to press F first (it seems terrible that this is a toggle), and allow flying to be back to the speed it used to be.
- bring back the reset button for textures
- bring back copy face attributes feature (when a face is selected press alt and left click on another face)
- would like to be able to work in a window straight away rather than having to select it, like in tb 1
- would be nice to have the old black void rather than pure white. Or at least allow is to choose our own colour
- would be neat if TB showed us when we were getting to the map border (+/- 4096 units)
- make it easier to select the frame to adjust the size of the windows please, right now it feels like I have to select something 1 pixel thick
- why can I no longer add my own keys to entities? Please bring this feature back
- The texture rotating thingy on the face
manipulator is way too sensitive to be of any use at all, this would be better as a slider IMO. Less fancy but I would rather have something that works.

-might be worth having the texture implimentation that I *think* is in quark, that is it just grabs the textures from the .bsp files rather than having to find the appropriate wad file.
I dunno how this works with compiling though? It might be a better way of getting the textures though instead of searching around online.

I am tempted to flesh out maps in TB1 and then use TB2 to finish off the very last bits. I suppose this defeats the point of having a new TB though. 

First of all, remember that this is a complete rewrite. Some features might just have been forgotten, so please do create feature requests for the stuff you're missing.

- bring back ctrl d duplicate. Please.

Add a feature request to the issue tracker. But you can now duplicate by Ctrl+LMB drag or by Ctrl+Arrow key as well, so I'm not sure whether Ctrl+d is still necessary.

- Would like to bind keys without needing ctrl as a modifier, I like to snap to grid using space bar (like all the time). That is unless you have fixed the issue of wandering vertices

This is simple impossible due to the fact that some OSs don't allow this and it basically rendered the editor useless on Linux. That said, some actions which are only useful in the 3D view can be bound to single keystroke hotkeys, and I can add the snap command to those if you wish. Please create a feature request.

- Would like to WASD without having to press F first (it seems terrible that this is a toggle), and allow flying to be back to the speed it used to be.

The fly speed can be set in the preferences. WASD can be always on, please create a feature request.

- bring back the reset button for textures

That's already on the todo list.

- bring back copy face attributes feature (when a face is selected press alt and left click on another face)

That should already work, but you have to hold Ctrl+Alt to copy the face attributes too. Without ctrl it will only copy the texture.

- would like to be able to work in a window straight away rather than having to select it, like in tb 1

That was never the case in TB1. You have to click a view to focus it - how else should the view get focus?

- would be nice to have the old black void rather than pure white. Or at least allow is to choose our own colour

Feature request.

- would be neat if TB showed us when we were getting to the map border (+/- 4096 units)

Already on the todo list.

- make it easier to select the frame to adjust the size of the windows please, right now it feels like I have to select something 1 pixel thick

Yes, this is a problem, but I'm reluctant to make the dividers thicker as it looks shit. I'll think of a solution for this, but it shouldn't be such a huge problem now because TB2 remembers your window layout.

- why can I no longer add my own keys to entities? Please bring this feature back

That's a bug ;-). Please make a bug report.

- The texture rotating thingy on the face
manipulator is way too sensitive to be of any use at all, this would be better as a slider IMO. Less fancy but I would rather have something that works.

You can have more precision by increasing the radius. Just start your drag and move away from the circle center. Also notice how the textures are snapped to the face edges to make alignment easier.

-might be worth having the texture implimentation that I *think* is in quark, that is it just grabs the textures from the .bsp files rather than having to find the appropriate wad file.
I dunno how this works with compiling though? It might be a better way of getting the textures though instead of searching around online.

I don't think getting and using wad files is such a problem. Notice that you can add wad files simply by dragging them onto the editor window from Explorer.

I am tempted to flesh out maps in TB1 and then use TB2 to finish off the very last bits. I suppose this defeats the point of having a new TB though.

Yes, it does. I can only repeat that this is beta software and stuff is still missing. The point of being a beta tester is to report these things. 

Just hit Ctrl+Enter. Sorry, that's not very obvious I know. 

This is simple impossible due to the fact that some OSs don't allow this and it basically rendered the editor useless on Linux. That said, some actions which are only useful in the 3D view can be bound to single keystroke hotkeys, and I can add the snap command to those if you wish. Please create a feature request.

Can this just be required on Linux? I've been resorting to hacking the registry keys... :D 

because those shortcuts might no longer work in text fields etc.

If there are functions which you feel must have a one key shortcut, then they must not be menu items, and they can only be available when the 3D view has focus. And no, I won't make this a Linux only requirement because it has created a nightmare of problems in the past, and it violates the UI guidelines of Windows and Mac OS X. 

if there are such functions, then I'll gladly move them from the menu to the 3D view, where they can have any shortcut you want. 

At some point to give usable feedback.

So far I haven't tried the TB2 builds, but will. 

off the top of my head:

Clip mode: x (I would actually prefer if you could flat out drop clip points without having to enter a mode at all)
Entity editor: n (like simulating radiant)
Face editor: t (radiant again...)
Deselect: Esc
Grid size: 1-9
Grid snap off: 0
Grid display: g
Freeze selection: f
Hide selection: h

Basically, modifier keys suck. While I am a firm believer in GUI and control standards when it comes to generic applications (eg: Winforms, web), with specialized applications like this one, I lean more towards efficiency and speed. 

put this in the issue tracker. It will just get lost here. 

Hello SleepwalkR,

Been away for ages but its nice to see you still working on the new revamped editor. Possible for access to the beta version as well? If so awesome. My mail is rbanninga[at]gmail[dot]com

Does the current beta work with quake 2 map editing or still quake 1 at the moment? Sorry if this was already covered in the discussion above

Regards 

it does hexen 2 and quake 2 editing. I haven't tried quake 2 editing yet but I will be doing it soon. 

I wouldn't call TB2 in beta really. It's more of an alpha. There are a lot of feature just plain missing, and many things do not function 100% correct just yet. You can't really use it to make a map. 

To the issue tracker. That would be very helpful. 

sorry dude I have been really busy, you did mention to add things to this thread though. I'll try and keep stuff github as well (though I still get a bit confused on where things are on there). 

 

...but I can't get the stable release of TrenchBroom 1.1.1 to work properly. The two main issues I'm having are crashes when either choosing the vertex tool or trying to drag and drop certain entities. I didn't quite know where to put these issues, nor could I find any fixes for them. Sorry if I'm not posting in the right places. 

And set OpenGL instancing to force off. That should fix the vertex tool. As for the other issue, I need more info, such as your OS and steps to reproduce. 

The OpenGL setting fixed the vertex tool for me. My OS is Windows 7 64 bit, my graphics accelerator is built into the processor, an Intel 4000 HD. I saw the entity issue on the GitHub issue tracker, and supposedly a driver update should have fixed the problem, but I'm sure my drivers are up to date. 

Which entities crash the editor when you try to drag them? 

I rolled back the driver to a previous version which seems to have fixed it for me, but the entities that previously crashed the editor were the ones that are represented by a 3d model. Now the editor runs fine, thanks for all your help!! 

this editor.......
from this to this took 30 minutes.

Literally just built one section of that inner circle bit, started rotating, then just lopped off a few bits that were poking out. And yes, that is a 32 sided outer circle and a 16 sided inner one.

I feel like I have been waiting my whole life for this editor. 

should have mentioned to not deceive anyone, this is with the beta of TB2. 

That is amazing, it looks so perfect, you just rotated, no errors?