#1331 posted by Lunaran on 2014/07/11 20:21:46
Ogre grenade arc preview.
Do it.
#1332 posted by skacky on 2014/07/11 21:00:55
Holy shit yes.
#1333 posted by Spirit on 2014/07/11 21:20:19
But how? It would be much more than an arc and ogres don't stand still.
Just Make It
#1334 posted by ijed on 2014/07/11 21:47:44
Playable in editor.
#1335 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/07/11 22:47:59
Wow, I've never considered an Ogre arc preview before ... cool idea!
And how about a "Fiend will fuck up and get stuck here" marker. As long as we're asking for stuff...
Really Interesting Idea, Lun.
#1336 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/07/12 00:03:42
As Long As We're Wishing...
#1337 posted by Rick on 2014/07/12 02:12:25
While you're at it add operating doors, platforms, and animated func_train/path corner combinations, etc. (actually, I seem to remember an old version of Radiant that had some of this).
#1338 posted by JneeraZ on 2014/07/12 11:56:45
Some automated way to set up pathing networks would be awesome too. Select all the path_corners you want, in the correct order, hit hot key, enter a base name, and it gives them all a unique target/targetname combo that links them together. Easy patrols.
Yes
#1339 posted by Rick on 2014/07/12 16:16:20
Some automated way to set up pathing networks would be awesome too.
That's basically what I was saying. I'm certain there was a version of Radiant that did this. It didn't automatically name everything, but once you had it set up it would animate it in the editor and you could see the stuff move in the 3D view the same as it would in game.
It's possible it was a plug-in of some kind. I remember using it when I was working on a Quake 2 map, maybe 10 years ago.
Automated Pathing
I will try to make entity "scripting" easier, that is, provider some way for quickly setting up paths and logic gates. I don't think I'll be doing in-editor animation though because that would be very specific for every game, and TB2 is not going to be limited to Quake.
Degrading Behaviour
#1341 posted by Preach on 2014/07/12 20:19:57
I've been having some fun messing around with Trenchbroom on my poor old laptop here, and I've found a way to reduce the complexity of the face shader (at a small cost to quality). If you've previously hit an error when launching Trenchbroom and would like to try tweaking it to see if reduced graphics settings help, then open up Face.fragsh in the Resources folder in a text editor, and change the getSoftStripes function as follows:
float getSoftStripes(float value, float gridSize, float stripeSize) {
��float mainVal = value * gridSize;
��float triangle = abs(2.0 * fract(mainVal) - 1.0);
��float sSize = stripeSize;
��return step(sSize, triangle);
}
This gets rid of the anti-aliasing on the lines and the bolder lines every 64 units, so you wouldn't want to apply it generally, but if your graphics card is as weak as mine it might just get things running!
#1342 posted by rebb on 2014/07/12 22:39:47
IIRC, AFAIK, BBQ, ( TB1 at least ) didn't do an Early Z Prepass or similar, so shaders are potentially invoked quite a lot, even if the fragments don't end up visible.
Whats your laptop's hardware like ?
Do you know which OpenGL Version it runs ?
Thanks
I put this in the issue tracker and I'll add it when I get around to it. Maybe there are a few other places where I could disable some stuff to get better performance.
Hey, Whoa, No
#1344 posted by Preach on 2014/07/13 12:20:42
Unless you're gonna put a low-graphics fallback or option in don't go adding it in blindly. You lose features, I only wanted it to be there for people who can't use Trenchbroom otherwise. Loving the editor btw, really is quick and intuitive to use.
Yes
I would only add this together with other features which would make the editor usable for people with low end hardware, basically like a "safe mode" option.
And thanks for the nice words, happy that you like it!
#1346 posted by necros on 2014/07/13 17:53:58
yeah, went back to radiant for a bit and while the 2d views are useful, it felt awkward and slow working in radiant's 3d view.
2D Views Are Coming To TB2
Yeah, I caved. Some things are easier to do in 2D than in 3D. TB2 will have two layouts, a Hammer-like 4-pane view for incest enthusiasts and a full size layout where you toggle between 3D and XY, XZ and YZ views with the tab key.
Maybe Another Layout
With 3D view and 2D view side by side, using tab to cycle through the 2D views.
2d view is good for making accurate measurements, something I really found difficult when I first started with trenchbroom. I don't feel like I need it much now, infact it may have been a bit of a crutch.
I'm looking forward to 2 things from next versions of TB, making maps for other games and making quake maps with 220 format texture accuracy.
#1350 posted by necros on 2014/07/13 22:03:33
a Hammer-like 4-pane view for incest enthusiasts
lmao, but yeah, thanks for this. I love 4 views. I find the single view at a time way too limiting; having access to all 3 axes at onces helps me keep a better overview of what's going on. A nice toggle to go straight to full screen 3d (maybe camera centered on current or last selected brush/entity?) would be fantastic. The more fluid 2d <-> 3d, the better!
I don't feel like I need it much now, infact it may have been a bit of a crutch.
I often have to make 'measurement' brushes to get the precision I want which slows things down for me. But even with that, I still prefer TB to anything else right now.
I've Read That Trenchbroom Has Support For Huge Maps
#1351 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/07/21 16:28:25
how do I enable that feature?
What Do You Mean By Huge?
I think TB currently limits you to -8192 to +8192, if you need to raise those limits, then this is currently not supported.
I'm Outside Those Limits
#1353 posted by ijed on 2014/07/21 16:52:03
But those areas aren't playable.
To enable the feature:
Step 1: Build a huge map
*I Ment Large, Sorry
#1354 posted by Breezeep_ on 2014/07/21 17:17:07
Grumpy Today
#1355 posted by ijed on 2014/07/21 17:24:09
As SleepWalkR says, there is the +/- 8192 limit, but this is only visible in engine.
In many editors (WC is an exception) this limit is not even visible and you can just keep building forever.
Trenchbroom is like this, at least in current release version; without anything delineated to say 'won't work beyond this point'.
In any case this is an engine limitation; I don't think it'd be good to retrofit TB to impose it as well since that'd affect development for other games.
I think FTE allows for gameplay outside the 8192 limit in Q1 as well.
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