Anyone else notice interlacing of liquid surfaces as they warp? mh to the rescue! 

quake-1.com/docs/mods/RMQEngine_Baker_OSX_IntelPPC_2012_Jan_13.zip

2 changed source files (glquake.h, gl_vidsdl.c) included in zip 

http://www.quake-1.com/docs/mods/RMQEngine_Baker_OSX_IntelPPC_2012_Jan_13.zip 

Cool, I'll diff them with mine and we'll see if we can get a single source base that compiles on everything.

Anyone else notice interlacing of liquid surfaces as they warp? mh to the rescue!

Liquid surfs should warp clean as the warp is done in a fragment shader. A possible explanation might be z-fighting between liquid surfs if a bmodel is overlapping with a world surf (or surfs). If you can give a reproduction case we'll check it out. 

http://negke.slipgateconstruct.com/images/rmq0000.jpg

I think every surface is affected. Warp is probably the wrong term here. I don't mean the underwater effect, but the animation of the *liquid texture. 

If anyone wants to try an engine-breaker map, this is the new yardstick.

Well, let's see how long it lasts, shall we. 

 

e3m1rq demo. Very good map and very satisfying gameplay.
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/e3m1rq_ankh.7z 

I did like the organ thing btw, but I have to admit it reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KE0njnZXyY 

I think every surface is affected. Warp is probably the wrong term here. I don't mean the underwater effect, but the animation of the *liquid texture.

Old NVIDIA? 

http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/e3m2_1.7z

E3m1 I overwrote so no demos, but there is an issue: you can get locked in a lava filled reactor area, but it's still possible to jump to the lift and get out with some precise jumping.
I used a pushable to jump over the pile of crates with a robo-arm, skipping part of the map, but its cool, don't remove such way. The woman voice was hard to understand or hear at all sometimes, needs subs.
I kinda liked this map xcept some lighting...

Pew-Pew is very annoying with unfinished model, screenshake and its sound. Worst blaster/lazer I've ever seen. And its overpowered, why give it at e3m1 at all instead of NG. Both maps need shells.
All maps have spots where you drop down taking damage for no good reason.

I play with gl_polyblend 0 and blur disabled btw. Missing gl_flashblend for disabling light blobs on lazers. 

k I'm curious now what radical or breaking things Quoth did?

Play the Quoth start map. Jump in one of the torch thingies in the spawn area. Do the same in ID1. Odd, isn't it?

Those knight things that continually shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!" at you. Is shouting "heuuu-arrrgghh!" Quakey? Next they'll be telling you that your mother was a hamster, etc. Or saying "Ni!"

Where are the animating lightstyles? ID1 is stuffed full of animating lightstyles. Why do community maps avoid these?

Monsters. Quake monsters don't look like Quoth monsters (honourable exception: Voreling). Quake monsters are animal, bestial, unintelligent, savage. Eyeless, primitive, primal, etc. Killing machines with next to no setience in there. Quoth monsters are not like that. 40 billion variations on the Grunt and a few knights that shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!". Don't think so.

Will I go on? 

Jump in one of the torch thingies in the spawn area. Do the same in ID1. Odd, isn't it?

This is caused by a trigger_hurt, not the flame entity.

Those knight things that continually shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!" at you. Is shouting "heuuu-arrrgghh!" Quakey?

More Quakey than the Enforcer telling me to suck it down? Also, one of these is a hoarse, throaty sound befitting the rest of the Quake sounds, and the other is a guy screaming into a tin bucket (guess which).

Quake monsters are animal, bestial, unintelligent, savage. Eyeless, primitive, primal, etc. Killing machines with next to no setience in there.

Pretty sure you had a ticket called "Monster AI"... 

It would be helpful if you or anyone else could give an example of good sounding lazer blasters in FPS games, so I have an idea what people perceive as a good laser/blaster sound. Unfortunately these things are hugely subjective, and no one has ever heard an actual laser blaster in action... 

Pretty damn sure I didn't. 

"Suck it down" is a Romero homage, something he allegedly liked to taunt his deathmatch opponents with. As for why the enforcer would say it, it's a friggin' game - why not? Romero himself still puts lots of homages into his games even today. Because they're games, not the Qu'ran.

Same goes for calling the player "n00b" in a monster taunt wav. It refers to deathmatch, which Quake brought to the masses.

But you know all this, right. 

Q2 hyperblaster is too shrill but it sounds like it has power behind it. Feeling is enhanced by the mechanical sound of the gun turning over.

I reckon your best source for inspiration would be UT. The plasma gun sounds are awesome (especially the secondary fire, that thing sounds like a piece of industrial machinery) and the shockrifle is okay. You could also take a peek at UT3/ut2k4 though I forget there sounds as they aren't imprinted on my brain like UT :E

I dunno perhaps a guiding principle could be "Would this sound fit into a Megaman game or cartoon. If yes, it's not suitable" :p 

As for why the enforcer would say it, it's a friggin' game

Because a monster using a cheesy deathmatch taunt rips the dark, brooding Lovecraftian atmosphere to pieces. You might as well have your grunts shouting "This is my BOOMSTICK".

It might be amusing as a 'ooh lets chuck this in' but think what effect it's having on the tone of the game.

"Hey what's it like fighting a shambler?"
"Shocking." 

So what?

Facts are: the Quoth team made a variation on the Start map. They changed many elements of it. It looks and plays different to the original. Where's the vitriol against them?

If what one wants is classic Quake, there is an option available. It's called: pop the CD in your drive, run Setup, double-click on "quake.exe", select "Singleplayer - New Game" and go for it. Nobody will hold it against you.

There are people who are genuinely interested in providing constructive feedback and comments on this, and there are people who hate because hating is what they do.

Let's get this clear. I wasn't invited to join this project; I muscled my way into it (and that, by the way, is an option that's available to anybody who genuinely wants to contribute). Yes, I'm an unashamed fanboy, but also: that doesn't mean I agree 100% with everything. I have my own tastes in Quake (I couldn't give two hoots about gameplay, etc, I just like looking at pretty architecture) and I'm strictly a backroom techie person. But I'm prepared to swallow my pride, subdue my ego, and accept things I might not like for the opportunity to contribute to something like this.

Whether you agree or disagree with the style and gameplay, you do have to admit that this is taking things to another level. If that level is something you don't like then you have options available. You can spill hate over the forums, you can join in and try influence things, you can do something you think is better yourself, or you can do nothing. Which of these options is/are the constructive one(s)? Which ones result in you spending negative energy on something you don't care much for to begin with?

Rant over. 

I have to say I'm not against new things overall. But when you replace something old you better think twice and then make sure its better AND similar. The whole quake 'replacement scene' is quite ugly, full of low quality hacks that think increasing the resolution, number of colors and polys alone would make it better not caring about quality, consistency, style and atmosphere of the original.
If your mod was about more new\original stuff it would feel better, but when you replace something already established and accepted you will receive a lot of criticism, unless its absolutely an improvement and fits in.
For example, those new sounds wouldn't be bad if they were used for the new monsters, but put over the old ones they make things seem worse. Were there people complaining about the new animei-sh looking flying robots with ears? I bet far less than about the questionable changes to the old stuff.
No one really opposed the new monsters in Neh, but everyone hated new 'AI' of the old ones.

As for Pew-pew
Sound is not the worst part of the gun... but it's a cheap fx that associates with old synths or toys rather than a cool gun and gets unpleasant with repeats. Does Scourge' laser use the same sound? cause it didnt annoy me much there or in Tronyn`s mod.
There is a certain range of frequencies around 1-3k Hz I believe that could sound unpleasant to human ear, where its most sensetive.
Not a big fan of q2 HPB sound btw. Fallout had some good sounding lasers\plasma (but those where single shot). 

Because a monster using a cheesy deathmatch taunt rips the dark, brooding Lovecraftian atmosphere to pieces.

After you just died violently anyway and probably went "Fuck" or something similar, yeah.

I don't want to discuss this to death (much like "what is Quake"), but obituaries like "Player discharges into the water" and "Player sucks it down" already do the same. See, it is already in the original game. In single player, too. Ours is just the audio version of that.

Not to mention giant cubic boxes with the Nine Inch Nails band logo on them, absolutely huge flashing red buttons, phallic looking weapons (their intention being reinforced by the deathmatch obituaries), and rocket jumping (surviving it, no less) are not very Lovecraftian either.

Not one bit.

(And I think Quake's zombies are probably more inspired by 80's zombie flicks than Lovecraft, considering when the game was made. Let's not mention Rottweilers, who are straight from Castle Wolfenstein and not the pages of Lovecraft. I could go on.)

Besides id games have a tradition of cheesiness, see Romero's face being the end boss in Doom2 (ho-hum, now you have to defeat me, John Romero), nazi-themed bonus levels, dopefishes and all that. In single player. There is a lot of "don't take this too serious, guys" in id games which is conveniently overlooked. Anything remaking Quake would do good to incorporate some cheesy humour.

I mean you go massacring hordes of monsters with a chain saw (no one complained about the presence of a chain saw in our Lovecraft simulator - of course not, because chain saws were already in vanilla Quake, wielded by one of those Lovecraftian freak-show members), their chunky gibs theatrically splashing around the room, and you call that brooding?

Are we playing the same Quake? ;-)

Thanks for laser gun references, will check. 

Its too easy once you know what's where. Was running max HP max armor, most of the time (even w/o the secret hunting) so even the shards wouldnt pick... but then I found "The pentagram of trololo". Very funny.
I have to say SG is really OP it kills even fiends in 5 shots. And then you have a GL to boot, which is a bit overkill for base map I think.
Couldn't find shredder to my disappointment - is it random or not present on skill2 at all? Btw not so fond of rnd items, cause something like MH is almost usless compared to RA.
Found another showstopper: you can fall into the pit from which an ogre(or a spawn on hard)rises with no way out.

And fianlly: corpse removal code please. Would really help with performance. 

"j00 s4wk n00b, unistall quake!11 L0L" *corpse humping* 

Special voodoo beans were added to the engine to ensure that it would be able to do this, with some Intel-specific workarounds in place
Do you guys have a public svn ? Or could you mail me the Intel tweaks. Cheers. 

The kids love them, the flashy stuff, the older ,audience dislikes them for the and disparities and nostalgic incongruence.

As for the "Lovecraftian" in Quake, to be quite honest, there isn't much apart from a few names. But I think we all agree on what the Lovecraft synonym stands for in this game, otherworldliness, acrane magic, and strange eyeless monsters. (Fiends do have eyes, however. HI SHAMBLER!)

mh: GTX 460, latest (beta) drivers, Win7