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F.A.T.? 
That's czg!


Seriously though, I don't think there is "the best" map.

Is "Average" sounding like something not worth playing? I thought of it as "decent map you will have fun playing while it has some minor flaws (making it not Nice/Excellent)". 
Well... 
Best quake map is czghate.bsp, which he hasn't released yet cause he hates us all. =( 
For Fucks Sake CZG . . . 
Release it, pretty please? (+cherry on top) 
Hm, 
Think I'll play through Terra Thing again . . . 
 
No, it's not done and it's breaking too many limits for my liking. Will not finish. 
Will Not - Never? 
Consined to a scraps folder? 
 
Will not? do we all have to make a trip to .se and kick your fat assuntill you finish map?
:p if we have to... 
Spirit 
"Average" tends to mean "either above or below the true average value of all maps, but probably below because most people want to sell their shit to me."

I suggest you replace it with "good." 
Czghate.bsp 
I doubt there is such a map. CZG has released many unfinished maps in the past, so why is this one being concealed?

Until I see some screenshots, I believe this map is nothing more than a hoax.

I also believe that the map name "czghate" means that czg hates everyone, and taunts them with a unfinished, unseen map. Just my opinion. 
 
"Average" tends to mean "either above or below the true average value of all maps
Indeed. Some average maps are 'OK', others are merely acceptable (both of which is often indicated). 'Good' maps are usually rated "nice". 
Method`s Making Painted Surface Tutorial 
"I have recently figured out how to make a realistic painted surface on non painted surfaces such as wood, metal and concrete. Here is a preview of what we are going to do:"

http://www.methodonline.com/painted_tutorial.htm 
Useful Stuff . . . 
I'll be reading through Method's tutorials to see his take on stuff; I didn't check his site properly when he posted screenshots before. 
Re: Average 
What neg!ke said. I will keep it like it is. 
Ratings Suck. 
But CZG sucks more. Take your pick. 
Orl... 
Many people on IRC have played czghate, me included, and it rocks hard.

Sorry czg. =(
Oh and, http://born-robotic.net/stuff/forczg.jpg
^___~ 
If Im Not Allowed To Play It 
then it cant be the best map ever made!

In order for a map to count as the best map ever made it has to be one that people can physically play.

I know the matter of 'the best map ever made' is a matter of opinion, but Im curious as to what the contenders are / might be.

czg - you should release the map. People will complain if it breaks certain engine limits, but they're just silly, cause Quake came out 11 years ago, and nobody cares about the parameters of a game engine originally designed to run on a 486 75. Most people will have in excess of 1Ghz + 512 megs/ram (rather than 8), and I know that the increase in speed is not proportional in game because high content maps isnt what quake was originally designed for, but with modern ports availiable people should just shut up and shoot stuff!!! 
No But Seriously 
It sucks. Bal is just finding other ways to annoy me besides killing me in TF2. 
Oh 
Well what's your 'best ever quake map' then? (I dont necessarily mean one that you made - although it could be) 
Post 13000 
 
Who Cares 
 
Note The Q3 Icon In His Post... 
 
Im Searching For 
megaman: i want videos showing someone play racing games, similar to speedruns
megaman: but they don't necessarily need to be speedruns, they just need to be as smooth as possible
megaman: so, not a lot of crashes or retries or something like that
megaman: does anyone have an idea where to find such films?
megaman: the longer the better
megaman: for example a 500 miles nascar game, or something like that
megaman: pretty important that it's from a player perspective though 
Best SP Quake Map(s) 
APSP by Andrew 'than' Palmer
best SP quake map for the looks, visual desigs and layout.
CZG`s Nehara maps were very atmopspheric with some great designs too.

for gamplay I dont know really
some damaul`s, mexx and prodigy_SE4 had more interesting gameplay than most of the past `2000 maps (that just have lots of combat with gazzilion of monsters as the only gameplay trick)
Ofcourse bigger=better. more monsters, larger maps... break the engine limits and you`v got an impressive map 
Megaman 
uhm maybe you can just take a game that supports replays, get 'demos' for it and fraps the video yourself? something like 'GT legends' or GTR

there are vids on youtube, but they are low quality oc 
Just Played APSP 
Hmmm - very good! Good fun, played on normal died twice, really liked the demons-coming-through-slipgate-atcha bit...

(should've been working though) 
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