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Posted by ijed on 2012/01/09 20:41:36 |
Here's the d/l link: download
The RemakeQuake blog with screenshots: blog
And our public forum for feedback: forum
The pack consists of four large levels by myself and Ricky along with a load of new Qc, sound and engine features. Shortly we'll be releasing the tools version as well, which features the BSP2 tools. A small detail was omitted from the readme, that being the correct command line of:
-game rmqwinter11 -sndspeed 44100
Let us know what you think, this has been a long time in the making, but we're pretty pleased with the results. |
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For Completeness ...
#103 posted by Baker on 2012/01/13 11:01:13
Since I experienced a crash, it could be the video card:
AMD Radeon HD 6490M 256 MB
Baker
Thanks for the info, I'm looking into a Mac build as well.
#105 posted by mh on 2012/01/13 11:45:04
I mean, this is just an intel sandybridge GPU in a laptop and it's all very smooth, no slowdown at all at 1920x1080.
That is really really awesome to hear.
Special voodoo beans were added to the engine to ensure that it would be able to do this, with some Intel-specific workarounds in place. Nothing that reduces quality, mind, just stuff that Intel needs to give it a helping hand.
e2m1rq is disconcerting at first, yeah, but it will all come clear as you get there. I think what Ricky's done here is a little left of field but a valid design decision that genuinely gives you something to have fun with.
I think it also holds the current record for "largest Quake BSP ever", clocking in at over 22mb. If anyone wants to try an engine-breaker map, this is the new yardstick.
Actually 22MB Is Fastvis
#106 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/01/13 12:15:30
This on is 16/17 fullvis (but then there's the lit I guess, which is seperate)
It's got about 130 lightmaps or something though, which is huge :o
It's not got 1000 monsters in it though. About 300 on hard I think, maybe not quite :)
But that is quite a low figure for a map of this size (a few more wouldn't hurt I think)
Btw
#107 posted by negke on 2012/01/13 13:38:52
Anyone else notice interlacing of liquid surfaces as they warp? mh to the rescue!
Functional OS X Build (Intel + PPC)
#108 posted by Baker on 2012/01/13 14:25:06
quake-1.com/docs/mods/RMQEngine_Baker_OSX_IntelPPC_2012_Jan_13.zip
2 changed source files (glquake.h, gl_vidsdl.c) included in zip
Let's Try URL Again ...
#109 posted by Baker on 2012/01/13 14:27:36
2 Changed Source Files (glquake.h, Gl_vidsdl.c)
#110 posted by mh on 2012/01/13 15:08:31
Cool, I'll diff them with mine and we'll see if we can get a single source base that compiles on everything.
Anyone else notice interlacing of liquid surfaces as they warp? mh to the rescue!
Liquid surfs should warp clean as the warp is done in a fragment shader. A possible explanation might be z-fighting between liquid surfs if a bmodel is overlapping with a world surf (or surfs). If you can give a reproduction case we'll check it out.
#111 posted by negke on 2012/01/13 15:26:04
http://negke.slipgateconstruct.com/images/rmq0000.jpg
I think every surface is affected. Warp is probably the wrong term here. I don't mean the underwater effect, but the animation of the *liquid texture.
#112 posted by gb on 2012/01/13 17:38:06
If anyone wants to try an engine-breaker map, this is the new yardstick.
Well, let's see how long it lasts, shall we.
;)
#113 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/01/13 17:41:41
#114 posted by Ankh on 2012/01/13 22:22:44
I did like the organ thing btw, but I have to admit it reminded me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KE0njnZXyY
#116 posted by mh on 2012/01/14 01:21:02
I think every surface is affected. Warp is probably the wrong term here. I don't mean the underwater effect, but the animation of the *liquid texture.
Old NVIDIA?
E3m2 With Some Serious Bugs
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/e3m2_1.7z
E3m1 I overwrote so no demos, but there is an issue: you can get locked in a lava filled reactor area, but it's still possible to jump to the lift and get out with some precise jumping.
I used a pushable to jump over the pile of crates with a robo-arm, skipping part of the map, but its cool, don't remove such way. The woman voice was hard to understand or hear at all sometimes, needs subs.
I kinda liked this map xcept some lighting...
Pew-Pew is very annoying with unfinished model, screenshake and its sound. Worst blaster/lazer I've ever seen. And its overpowered, why give it at e3m1 at all instead of NG. Both maps need shells.
All maps have spots where you drop down taking damage for no good reason.
I play with gl_polyblend 0 and blur disabled btw. Missing gl_flashblend for disabling light blobs on lazers.
#118 posted by mh on 2012/01/14 02:17:33
k I'm curious now what radical or breaking things Quoth did?
Play the Quoth start map. Jump in one of the torch thingies in the spawn area. Do the same in ID1. Odd, isn't it?
Those knight things that continually shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!" at you. Is shouting "heuuu-arrrgghh!" Quakey? Next they'll be telling you that your mother was a hamster, etc. Or saying "Ni!"
Where are the animating lightstyles? ID1 is stuffed full of animating lightstyles. Why do community maps avoid these?
Monsters. Quake monsters don't look like Quoth monsters (honourable exception: Voreling). Quake monsters are animal, bestial, unintelligent, savage. Eyeless, primitive, primal, etc. Killing machines with next to no setience in there. Quoth monsters are not like that. 40 billion variations on the Grunt and a few knights that shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!". Don't think so.
Will I go on?
Jump in one of the torch thingies in the spawn area. Do the same in ID1. Odd, isn't it?
This is caused by a trigger_hurt, not the flame entity.
Those knight things that continually shout "heuuu-arrrgghh!" at you. Is shouting "heuuu-arrrgghh!" Quakey?
More Quakey than the Enforcer telling me to suck it down? Also, one of these is a hoarse, throaty sound befitting the rest of the Quake sounds, and the other is a guy screaming into a tin bucket (guess which).
Quake monsters are animal, bestial, unintelligent, savage. Eyeless, primitive, primal, etc. Killing machines with next to no setience in there.
Pretty sure you had a ticket called "Monster AI"...
Fladjern
#120 posted by gb on 2012/01/14 02:35:33
It would be helpful if you or anyone else could give an example of good sounding lazer blasters in FPS games, so I have an idea what people perceive as a good laser/blaster sound. Unfortunately these things are hugely subjective, and no one has ever heard an actual laser blaster in action...
Pretty Sure You Had A Ticket Called "Monster AI"...
#121 posted by mh on 2012/01/14 02:40:06
Pretty damn sure I didn't.
Suck It Down
#122 posted by gb on 2012/01/14 02:48:13
"Suck it down" is a Romero homage, something he allegedly liked to taunt his deathmatch opponents with. As for why the enforcer would say it, it's a friggin' game - why not? Romero himself still puts lots of homages into his games even today. Because they're games, not the Qu'ran.
Same goes for calling the player "n00b" in a monster taunt wav. It refers to deathmatch, which Quake brought to the masses.
But you know all this, right.
Pow Pow Pow
Q2 hyperblaster is too shrill but it sounds like it has power behind it. Feeling is enhanced by the mechanical sound of the gun turning over.
I reckon your best source for inspiration would be UT. The plasma gun sounds are awesome (especially the secondary fire, that thing sounds like a piece of industrial machinery) and the shockrifle is okay. You could also take a peek at UT3/ut2k4 though I forget there sounds as they aren't imprinted on my brain like UT :E
I dunno perhaps a guiding principle could be "Would this sound fit into a Megaman game or cartoon. If yes, it's not suitable" :p
As for why the enforcer would say it, it's a friggin' game
Because a monster using a cheesy deathmatch taunt rips the dark, brooding Lovecraftian atmosphere to pieces. You might as well have your grunts shouting "This is my BOOMSTICK".
It might be amusing as a 'ooh lets chuck this in' but think what effect it's having on the tone of the game.
"Hey what's it like fighting a shambler?"
"Shocking."
This Is Caused By A Trigger_hurt, Not The Flame Entity.
#125 posted by mh on 2012/01/14 03:13:06
So what?
Facts are: the Quoth team made a variation on the Start map. They changed many elements of it. It looks and plays different to the original. Where's the vitriol against them?
If what one wants is classic Quake, there is an option available. It's called: pop the CD in your drive, run Setup, double-click on "quake.exe", select "Singleplayer - New Game" and go for it. Nobody will hold it against you.
There are people who are genuinely interested in providing constructive feedback and comments on this, and there are people who hate because hating is what they do.
Let's get this clear. I wasn't invited to join this project; I muscled my way into it (and that, by the way, is an option that's available to anybody who genuinely wants to contribute). Yes, I'm an unashamed fanboy, but also: that doesn't mean I agree 100% with everything. I have my own tastes in Quake (I couldn't give two hoots about gameplay, etc, I just like looking at pretty architecture) and I'm strictly a backroom techie person. But I'm prepared to swallow my pride, subdue my ego, and accept things I might not like for the opportunity to contribute to something like this.
Whether you agree or disagree with the style and gameplay, you do have to admit that this is taking things to another level. If that level is something you don't like then you have options available. You can spill hate over the forums, you can join in and try influence things, you can do something you think is better yourself, or you can do nothing. Which of these options is/are the constructive one(s)? Which ones result in you spending negative energy on something you don't care much for to begin with?
Rant over.
Replacing Vs New
I have to say I'm not against new things overall. But when you replace something old you better think twice and then make sure its better AND similar. The whole quake 'replacement scene' is quite ugly, full of low quality hacks that think increasing the resolution, number of colors and polys alone would make it better not caring about quality, consistency, style and atmosphere of the original.
If your mod was about more new\original stuff it would feel better, but when you replace something already established and accepted you will receive a lot of criticism, unless its absolutely an improvement and fits in.
For example, those new sounds wouldn't be bad if they were used for the new monsters, but put over the old ones they make things seem worse. Were there people complaining about the new animei-sh looking flying robots with ears? I bet far less than about the questionable changes to the old stuff.
No one really opposed the new monsters in Neh, but everyone hated new 'AI' of the old ones.
As for Pew-pew
Sound is not the worst part of the gun... but it's a cheap fx that associates with old synths or toys rather than a cool gun and gets unpleasant with repeats. Does Scourge' laser use the same sound? cause it didnt annoy me much there or in Tronyn`s mod.
There is a certain range of frequencies around 1-3k Hz I believe that could sound unpleasant to human ear, where its most sensetive.
Not a big fan of q2 HPB sound btw. Fallout had some good sounding lasers\plasma (but those where single shot).
I Hate To Break It To You, But
#127 posted by gb on 2012/01/14 04:32:55
Because a monster using a cheesy deathmatch taunt rips the dark, brooding Lovecraftian atmosphere to pieces.
After you just died violently anyway and probably went "Fuck" or something similar, yeah.
I don't want to discuss this to death (much like "what is Quake"), but obituaries like "Player discharges into the water" and "Player sucks it down" already do the same. See, it is already in the original game. In single player, too. Ours is just the audio version of that.
Not to mention giant cubic boxes with the Nine Inch Nails band logo on them, absolutely huge flashing red buttons, phallic looking weapons (their intention being reinforced by the deathmatch obituaries), and rocket jumping (surviving it, no less) are not very Lovecraftian either.
Not one bit.
(And I think Quake's zombies are probably more inspired by 80's zombie flicks than Lovecraft, considering when the game was made. Let's not mention Rottweilers, who are straight from Castle Wolfenstein and not the pages of Lovecraft. I could go on.)
Besides id games have a tradition of cheesiness, see Romero's face being the end boss in Doom2 (ho-hum, now you have to defeat me, John Romero), nazi-themed bonus levels, dopefishes and all that. In single player. There is a lot of "don't take this too serious, guys" in id games which is conveniently overlooked. Anything remaking Quake would do good to incorporate some cheesy humour.
I mean you go massacring hordes of monsters with a chain saw (no one complained about the presence of a chain saw in our Lovecraft simulator - of course not, because chain saws were already in vanilla Quake, wielded by one of those Lovecraftian freak-show members), their chunky gibs theatrically splashing around the room, and you call that brooding?
Are we playing the same Quake? ;-)
Thanks for laser gun references, will check.
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