FORMAL apology for whatever level of this conversation has been generated only by my paranoia. Not that I won't be pissy in the future.

your post about your last map release was bullshit and that was obvious. I cornered you on it, you changed the subject. I was totally overly harsh, and I'm calling it even now, but I hope you can at least understand where I'm coming from. I've tried to explain where I think you're coming from. 

tone of that wasn't quite right. Sorry for real. Paranoid yes. 

16/01/2005 so I dunno why that would be wrong? 

Nevermind all this then! A genuine misunderstanding! 

the reason, as we both know, is that you implied that I implied that the last time you released a map was 10 years ago, when my 79 never implied that, your 86 implied (falsely) that 79 did imply that, my 88 proved your 79 absolutely wrong, your 90 avoided the question in response, and your 92 brought up my 88 again regarding the claim on 79, as if 88 was not a literally correct condemnation of the claims made in 79.

Anyway, we understand each other. You're "the king of 10-year old curvy maps and annoying posts" as per my original claim. 

My whole complaint-rant regarding the old "used to be cool" long-retired mapper thing is punctuated by you.

I hate has-been mappers reaching from the grave to criticize. It's not cool. Not cool at all. And frankly, it has been a long, long, long time since you mattered.

It isn't that your elder-world opinion doesn't matter, but if you are just gonna be a dick, go fucking retire and don't come back. 

In #83 (Which you omit in #105 and my #86 was in response to) you say some kind of inside joke by "established" mappers from 10 years ago which implies I hadn't done anything since then.

It is true in my #90 I didn't really read your #88 properly and answered wrong.

In #92 I read your anyway what you last said in #88 as referring to my #82 which was also wrong. 

 

it will be OBVIOUS if my post 105 is NOT a documentation of your assholeness but instead merely a paranoid assemblage of your innocent misinterpretations - if you don't act like the asshole post 105 portrays you as in the future. We'll see.

But if you just want to come back to a place you used to contribute real content to, to troll around, like please man why, what right do you have. I prize this place as a creative honest place for discussion, and 105 is the documentation of either a fool or a malicious ass - fucking with what I want to be an honest place. 

I should admit that my 105 can be read as purely my paranoia, and also that your 107 points out real issues with my 105. But the main point of my 109 - that 105 will be NOTHING AT ALL if you can just act like a nice fucking guy! - stands. 

I can't act like a nice guy because whatever I say will be interpreted as some sort double-triple-ironic metacommentary about god knows what and and subtle subterfuge and social engineering and whatnot.

I've got my new RAM sorted now, so now I'm back to not posting here. It has been interesting, thanks! 

it's not the thunder of Zeus striking randomly.
No one interprets anything I say as "some sort double-triple-ironic metacommentary about god knows what" - don't deny that my (however paranoid) interpretation of your posts had some kind of basis. Seriously, when ANYONE ELSE posts ANYTHING, this sort of interpretation isn't possible, even for me.

Dude, stick around. Just don't post like an ass, or if you do, expect me to bitch. 

the matter is such silly threads and people behind them make us want to troll them to death, i support czg totally here. 

And I don't think any of the two of us have been assholes about it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgzeqwhNTDk

for a mapping forum that corner is never the corner I think it is 

only in usa 

Re: 114
I'm not trying to be an ass. I'm not even against trolling (or clever commentary that isn't even trolling). I don't want to come across as an asshole here, because I'm not trying to be one. Anyway my POV is 112 (though my FOV remains 90). 

and I have to put up with that shit so much as a Canadian being right next to the US
it was Radiohead's No Surprises - which I think is an awesome song that most people here would already know and like - but citing it was the point that I felt like, even though I like you personally a good deal more than CZG, it was no surprise that you'd support him as the old vanguard would clearly stick together. Awesome song though, all the more awesome given that Radiohead has become lame ass hipsters imo. 

that one is a nice song indeed. and i agree with you on radiohead being popasses nowadays ;) 

Um ... no ..

List of the mean-spirited participants of this thread:

1. CZG ... the awesome "has-been" mapper of days gone by. Neato.

2. Onetruepurple. Who is so uneducated as to not know what "stock id1 Quake" means. Neat.

3. Non-Entity. The asswipe that carries grudges against me because I guess he lost everything in a Sherriff's sale because no one would employ him. So now he's lost 40 pound and is mad at me. Groovy!

4. Scampie. The noble guy who didn't really know what the thread was about but posted "just because". What a guy! Love him.

CZG: I can't "fuck off" or "go away" because I am actively making and developing things for Quake. Sure I'm an ass at times, occasionally even rude, but at the same time I have actual technical contributions to engine code, map building tools and even ... maps!

I won't be going anywhere. If it helps, you can think of me as a pimple on the ass of Quake.

I myself prefer to think of myself personally in other ways, but whatever floats your boat ... 

Baker I love you, and I am happy to pass the torch of (apparently) "top provocative ass in this thread."

Vondur nice to agree, I hope you don't think I'm being unreasonable. I always thought Thom Yorke made a great angsty nerd, hell I love Radiohead from the start until Amnesiac-ish period, but as soon as Yorke put on the hat he wears in "Lotus Flower," I realized that the internet had destroyed the very idea of nerdiness. Jesus. Now nerds are hipsters. Pity the next generation's god damn music. 

Even now. But Thom Yorke always looks like he's been in a crack den for 3 days and needs a wash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8M-Moo4imQ 

I beta tested a wip map by czg and it is a beautiful piece of art. just so you know and so you can stop saying that he is a man of the past. Also, see rubicon2?

If you were interested you could get great feedback and wisdom from those "old farts". I don't see time invalidating game design concepts.

"you have no right for an opinion because I don't see you doing it yourself" is idiotic.


Radiohead is some retarded emo whine crap that is only topped by portishead. 

do I ever hate Portishead

Spirit, no one said anything like "old mappers can't have opinions," "old or non-active mappers have nothing to teach us" or "those who don't map can't have opinions on mapping." The whole thing was just an issue of the tone of posts, and an issue of automatically putting up with that tone, which I wanted to challenge. Hell I still think Steve Rescoe was an amazing designer and if he showed up today I'd be super interested in whatever he had to say. But hell, if - say - Stephen Hawking posted posts in a tone I dislike, I'd bitch about that tone. That's all. 

Also pretty sure I didn't post "anus" anywhere? You did, just then - it was a t4rp.

Don't try to shift the topic in such a ridiculous way. Either pay attention or don't read selectively. Or not, whatever.

I know there's no official format on func for 'a new review is up at Quaddicted' but something along those lines is typically mentioned somewhere on the board, and I'm glad it is so I can go over and read it.

Or we can just blather on about random crap and trick CZG into talking about anus until his new PC is set up.