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#101 posted by JPL on 2008/11/06 17:43:50
So, are there any differences then ? Please elaborate...
#102 posted by JneeraZ on 2008/11/06 19:35:32
"Obama is a Protestant christian."
Yes, but he's not an asshole about it. That's the difference.
#103 posted by starbuck on 2008/11/06 20:27:14
So, are there any differences then ? Please elaborate...
Between the Democrats and the Republicans? They have huge, huge differences in almost every political area, and huge differences in the demographic that votes for them. You seriously can't spot any differences?
Replicats
#104 posted by bambuz on 2008/11/07 03:47:59
Democrats=D and Republicans=R.
Bomb?
D: Some
R: A lot
Taxes?
D: Some, at least for rich people
R: Less, at least for rich people
Government spending?
D: Some
R: Less, except, in reality, more, so its more taxes or more debt
They don't differ that drastically from each other when you compare to other countries. Stuff like free education is unlikely to happen in USA, or other services that would be provided via higher taxes. I'm not really up to speed on the status of healthcare, not even over here.
Healthcare
#105 posted by Blitz on 2008/11/07 04:24:14
Healthcare in the US is not as bad as it's cracked up to be. When I was unemployed a few years ago with no insurance, I had to go to the ER and I was afraid I was going to have a gigantic bill waiting for me a month later.
After my visit, I met with some financial lady at the hospital to tell her my situation and came out with the good news that I wouldn't have to pay a dime!
So yeah the system worked for me anyway :)
#106 posted by starbuck on 2008/11/07 11:28:32
Bomb?
D: Some
R: A lot
Taxes?
D: Some, at least for rich people
R: Less, at least for rich people
Government spending?
D: Some
R: Less, except, in reality, more, so its more taxes or more debt
It's pretty unrealistic to expect answers like:
Taxes?
D: Yes, all of them
R: None
To those sort of questions. These are mainstream parties. One (still) acts a bit Reagan-era and the other prefers a bit more state involvement, but if you're expecting a choice between communist russia and the wild west then I agree. They're not *that* different.
It Isn't Entirely Unrealistic
#107 posted by megaman on 2008/11/07 12:01:38
to expect stuff like:
capitalism?
D: yes
C: no
Starbuck
#108 posted by JPL on 2008/11/07 14:40:26
...if you're expecting a choice between communist russia and the wild west then I agree. They're not *that* different.
So if I understand correctly, there is a middle right party (Democrats) and a right party (Republicans)... a kind of right party "flavours".. and then it explains why it is so difficult for non-US citizens to "feel" the differences...
I also think it will not change that much the US international policy, maybe much more the US internal policy, regarding all the "social" things Obama would like to put in place... Well, wait and see ;)
Right.
#109 posted by Shambler on 2010/10/01 09:34:59
Continue racism / immigration discussion HERE.
#110 posted by Spirit on 2010/10/01 10:14:24
No, this is not the right place. We need a thread called '"Other's" politics'.
#111 posted by starbuck on 2010/10/01 13:11:36
We also need a racism thread. Also, a script that automatically moves all of Trinca's posts into it.
#112 posted by Trinca on 2010/10/01 13:24:09
LOL mines?
don't think so...
Good Idea!
#114 posted by necros on 2010/10/01 18:51:39
We also need a racism thread. Also, a script that automatically moves all of Trinca's posts into it.
i LOL'ed :)
How About Just "Trinca"?
#115 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/01 19:14:09
In his honour :P
RickyT23
#116 posted by Trinca on 2010/10/01 20:12:57
how about fuck you :p
Well I Didnt Make The Thread
#117 posted by RickyT33 on 2010/10/02 00:06:26
I was joking man. Freedom of speech - YEAH!!!
AMERICAN POLITICS MAKES ME RAGE!!
#118 posted by Zwiffle on 2010/12/07 19:15:50
SO
FUCKING
ANGRY
Zwiffle
#119 posted by JPL on 2010/12/07 20:29:58
What's happening !
Really Zwiff?
Wanna try a little bit o' Italy?
Yeah, I didn't think so...
Is Your PM Involved In Sex Scandals Again?
#121 posted by Zwiffle on 2010/12/07 22:28:24
Politics Make Me Angry.
#122 posted by jt_ on 2010/12/08 05:51:12
United States = Interesting Place
#123 posted by Baker on 2010/12/09 16:33:58
40 years ago the United States had things like investigative journalism, freedom of speech, a constitution. Today, our "news" is mostly American Idol chatter and celebrity gossip and very superficial political news.
Today, disclosing "secret" information and the government has no regard for, say, what the US constitution says about freedom of speech, due process. Laws are written by "regulation", not passed by Congress. Wars are conducted without a declaration of war [although Vietnam was an undeclared war and so was the Gulf War]. All information about the conduct during the war is a state secret.
Revealing said info leads to brute force bully behavior.
The United States is sure acting a lot like China. Who are we to criticize China's censorship of things like Tienanmen Square and massive web censorship and jailing people arbitrarily without a trial.
There is a big and powerful religion that worships at the altar of "big government" and Washington culture and citizens must sacrifice freedoms and must not know government secrets. The Fed even sought to keep spending of the bank bailout and stimulus money secret [it failed, and several large companies like General Electric, Ford, Toyota received several billion $$$].
Both parties are fully immersed in this Washington culture.
And this system of government shrouded in secrecy, behaving in my opinion corruptly, free from oversight, waging a permanent war in Afghanistan for unclear reasons, with the ability to incarcerate or detain without trial is a kabillion dollars in debt.
And is on a collision course with a massive financial crisis unseen in the history of mankind ...
The immovable object --- a behemoth government deeper in true debt [including future obligations] than the wealth of the entire Earth times 3 -- is going to collide with the irresistable force of utter lack of credit and bankruptcy.
Part of me is very concerned about what will happen when this train runs off the track. Greece got bailed out by Germany. The Greeks protested reforms in the streets for months and resisted all change.
The entire world couldn't begin to bailout the United States. And yet, whatever happens, the sun always rises and years will go by. But it is quite puzzling how this all will resolve itself.
The Party System And Justice
#124 posted by jt_ on 2010/12/09 18:20:30
The United State (singular) has no party system, not even a two party system. The State has a hydra, and either of its heads are 'elected' to serve its purpose. It serves no purpose other than to take social power and replace it with State power.
It is certainly true that the business of gov't, in maintaining freedom and security, and to secure those rights is to make recourse to justice costless, easy and informal; but the State, on the contrary, is primarily concerned wih injustice, and its function is to maintain a regime of injustice; hence, as we see daily, its disposition is to put justice as far as possible out of reach, and to make the effort after justice as costly and difficult as it can. One may put it in a word that while gov't is by its nature concerned with the administration of justice, the State is by nature concered with the administration of law--law, which the State itself manufacturers for the service of ts own primary ends. Therefore an appeal to the State, based on the ground of justice, is futile in any circumstances, for whatever action the State might take in response to it would be conditioned by the State's own paramount interest, and would hence be bound to result, as we see such action invariably resulting in as great injustice as that which it pretends to correct, or as a rule, greater.
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