Long ago I suggested a "vertical" map contest where the maps had to be 512x512 in X and Y, but with no vertical restriction. Also, no teleporters allowed (except for teleporting monsters into the level.)

Since we never did it, I'm resurrecting the idea. 

i want to participate!!! why not a turtle map seccion? 

Either push this event back towards the end of May, so the I might have time to participate or select the theme so that I don't need a ton of time to participate (ie 512x512x512 would be good, or 100b, etc.)

And is this a contest or just an event? 

for anything, really, but I would not mind participating in a chainmapping session with some well thought out rules (e.g. specific texture set, prefabs, etc.). Just don't make it too much of a rush job, please :-) 

You could get pretty creative, depending on how granular you wanted to get...think of them as pixels. 

for a speedmap:

Bestiary - Use every monster from the quake bestiary once and only once in your map.



for a turtlemap:

Terrain - Might be better if I got around to adding tree mapobjects to quoth, but nevertheless a bunch of decent outdoors maps would be new and good. Doesn't have to be temperate, could be sand or snow or flesh. Just as long as the player is always standing on 'ground' instead of 'floor'.


I also like metlslime's "vertical" theme. 

Metlslime's vertical idea is rather more interesting than my right angle idea.

I guess the only issue would be the xy area of the map. My guess would be:

2x + 2y < z

To give the mapper a little more freedom in terms of their respective creation, while still maintaining the vertical aspect. 

Not sure if I suggested this before:

"Use Every Entity At Least Once" contest! You'd have to really use the entity for gameplay, not just hide them in some inaccessible corner.

We could exempt any entity that is effectively useless for a singleplayer map, like func_episodegate, info_deathmatch, etc. (but not anything that could be used or abused somehow, like item_rune, info_null, etc.) 

Actually, this could be used pretty neatly in a single map, it's an idea I've pondered before. You could set up several changelevels in different parts of the map that all point back to the same bsp, only you could have them lead back to an info_player_start2 for when the player collects a rune before leaving. Then you could use episodegates/bossgates to open up parts of the level the player couldn't access before.

Alas, I'm far from 1337 enough to come up with a decent map myself that makes good use of this technique, but someone else here might be.. so just putting the idea out there. 

I don't really think it matters what kind of limitation is used - in fact i'd think a 'creative' limitation would be far more inspiring than some stupid bullshit technical one :>

i don't think it would have any negative effects - together with a strong brush count limitation proportion may become much more important than in usual maps. In fact that's something i had in mind for a few years; bringing classic art composition techniques to quake mapping. Just that the viewpoint changes all the time - maybe good use of proportion is a first step in that direction.

What about a 'only ~[20-50] brushes per room' limitation? (decide on a good number, im not an experienced enough q1 mapper to do that)

Could even allow rectangles + cylinders, or any other combination of forms. Or maybe 'positive' rectangles and 'negative' cylinders (cylinder cut outs). �

for inspiration:
http://www.barbaraboumanjay.com/
http://imagesource.allposters.com:80/images/pic/139/080_6510411~Study-for-Homage-to-the-Square-Posters.jpg 

http://web.mit.edu/cjoye/www/art/img/Fibonacci1.jpg
http://www.anu.edu.au/ITA/CSA/onlinegallery/files/images/yvonne_boag_19.jpg
http://www.sandcarveddesigns.com/opt_diamond_and_rectangle.JPG
http://www.verostko.com/history/early-alg/pathway1-87.jpg
http://metamedia.stanford.edu/imagebin/IPCollage.jpg
oh yes very interseting: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.habitatgallery.com/art/Oil/big/Habitat_Rectangle.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.habitatgallery.com/slide_big.cfm%3Ffile%3D37&h=473&w=800&sz=120&hl=en&start=178&um=1&tbnid=SjlbJGIvEF9gbM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Drectangle%26start%3D160%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dopera%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN
http://www.habitatgallery.com/art/Oil/Windows_in_Motion.jpg
http://www.stroudsafety.com/Images/Nets-StandardRectangleLg.jpg

ps. i'd limit it to 'rectangular looking geometry' to allow for map optimization. 

brushes per room limitation would require room-hallway-room kinda maps... which are boring imo.

what about... cleavage mapping! or crystal mapping! so all the faces in the map have to be parallel to a possible crystal face.. or something.

Cleavage
The tendency of a mineral to break along defined planes determined by the mineral�s crystal structure.

or maybe not 

Vondur would win 

rj: this is true, and I think necros (?) did this in a speedmap or something. It's what inspired me to run the speedmap session themed "maps you play through twice" but of course, nobody else in that session got it so mine was the only one that actually followed the theme.

Anyway, I'm not sure we want to force everybody to have to have to do the multi-loading rune collection thing. On the other hand, maybe to follow the rules strictly, we should. 

did someone mention "use every entity once and only once"? i wonder how this would look like. imagine stuck monsters acting as doors, all kinds of items as triggers and very little ammo.
would it work at all? killing cthon for example.. 

I said "use every entity AT LEAST once" ... my goal was to get people to use entities they rarely consider using, such as monsterjump, wind tunnels, tarbabies, invisiblity, etc. 

i sneakily merged your and kell's idea. 

That vertical mapping thing sound best to me. Using all the entities would just annoy me. 

If all entities would have to be used someone would need to make a list of all ents... 

yeah, killing cthon might not work without two func_door electrodes, for example. And a quad damage with only 11 enemies to kill might be problematic too. So i think it's better to let people use entities more than once. Trying to avoid making the maps gimmicks. We want rules that allow people to make actual good maps that happen to have something special/unusual about them, not gimmick maps where you get the quad damage and then use it to do 10,000 damage to a shootable button or something. 

just thought i'd say i think a vertical map idea would be really cool too. :) 

...so maybe we should do that. Might be time to move this to its own discussion thread. 

I'm gonna be able to map after this weekend.. 

where's the thread? 

tower of babel with a 512x512 base. but what about the entities - using all monsters would include the bosses as well, right? i can't imagine fighting cthon in such a small horizontal area (then again this could maybe introduce some novelty gameplay twists depending on how the mappers cope with it)