Eh. Remember that we are by definition that small number of weirdos that really like that brown game with that big lightning monster in, what's he called...

Off the shelf, there ain't much in it. Normal people like both, Q2 usually a bit more because the weapons are beefier and on the surface the game overall seems more impressive.

But Q1 has better legs imo, which you only see after years have passed, and it has a much more appealing and interesting theme, which really comes into its own with the custom maps/mods. 

I love Quake and Quake 2 for different reasons. Quake 2 has a lovely visual design consistency and theming but it doesn't have the staying power of Quake. I think this is due to the abstract nature of Quakes design, we're still getting new texture sets, themes and monsters.
Quake 2 maps are simply more of the same, they're all base maps. 

Yep, that about nails it. Quake2 is chunky base maps with the occasional mountain/mine environment thrown in. And the lighting is orange/blue.

Quake1 is ... well, whatever you want it to be. 

Otherwise there'd be an active Q2 community of mappers, modders and players and the Q1 Community would be practically non existent. 

I agree. I mean, FFS, it supported DLLs for mods. You could do, basically, anything you wanted. 

Isn't it just a matter of sitting and making different art style for Q2, if you like it?

My complain about Q2 was that Q1 weapons felt more satisfying, specially over that laggy RL. Also those toned down noises and modelled explosions and washed, too bright looks. 

Nothing wrong with Q2's gameplay. They do have an active community of mappers over at Q2Cafe. It's mostly Multiplayer though.
The singleplayer scene is effectively dead and I think it's due to the lack of theme diversity. 

The Revenant cover was sick, they should've used it.
Also Quake 2 is boring and slow. 

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Awesomest thing about Quake2 is CoopOrDie!
Wish Quake 1 had that. 

by musashi was great. 

Please no. 

Well not to hijack this thread any further haha... But I was trying to make a point and failing I guess.

Quake2 focused theme that is more solid for a game.
Quake1 all manner of randomness.

But that is why I agree Q1 lasted longer. It could be more in the long run as it takes little effort to make a haunted cemetery or castle map or even a scifi base map using the default content.

Quake 2... yea base maps if you stick to the default content. I would not dog the lighting style thought because nothing stops folks from doing stylish lighting exactly like we are doing now in Q1 with colored lights. And the same can be said for the levels if more texture sets got made.

But that just did not happen because of the above reasons. Even though you could use KMquake which has the Lazarus mod built in expanding on Q2 in so many ways beyond what has been done in Q1.

For me TB1 revived my interest in Quake. And the new toolset is great for map making especially when using Arcane Dimensions new additions. Plus you guys have made some fantastic maps. I just wonder what the Quake 2 equivalent would be.

I do hope Trenchbroom 2 gives it another chance in that regard. But I digress in the doom 4 thread hehe. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybo30QlSk64 

GOOD and now they have eyes not just skulls without eyesockets and a monster that looks more like a proper hellknight. 

 

I'm really holding out for decent singleplayer. I couldn't give a shit about MP since I never played the originals in MP anyway. 

I'm optimistic again ... just still not 100% sold on the cinematic kills. But it feels nice.

But was that gameplay or a cut scene? Everything seemed to happen with such perfect timing I have to think it was scripted. 

DOOM Agitated Edition 

Ok I love the new Imp design, the Pinky and the Baron at the end. Notice they also have colour (gasp!) on them.

It's almost as if someone sat down and played the original Doom, sometime after all those boring, samey, greyscale, eyeless bellend-head monsters were made, and said "haaaang on....why don't we just make monsters with eyes and personality and that actually look different from each other, kinda like in the original game?"

I hope that guy got a raise. 

Not really. 

Looks a bit more interesting but I'm not in yet as long as PC modding isn't integrated.

Spotted a shielded grunt in the shotgun portion, I'm curious how he will work.

Pinky looks legit though, just like the Baron of Hell. 

even the rocks look like the were being dragged through vaseline. Strange choice.

That brutal stuff.. meh. Kids will love it i guess.
Don't know what to think of it. 

I like the box art.

Come at me bros! 

But regardless, new trailer looks cool, apart from takedown moves. Also Q2 was great HTH.