Nobody really cares and they're just here to watch the OTHER people make asses of themselves. That's the ticket. 

I get replies and that makes me feel like someone is giving me attention.

Heh - this thread just wont DIE!!! 

I stated that they seem unable to join words together to form a sentence, and as such they seem intellectually incapable of forming a verbal assualt that would affect me.


Quoting for irony 

maybe

... its not worth the keystrokes or spell check to comment farther 

I haven't stated that I hate all of you, or that I think all of you suck at all, or that "I don't care" in general.

When I mentioned not caring it was in reference to willem continuously posting things that were not in any way useful or informative. I don't care if he continues to do so, because like the rest of you, I see his little baby blue name and just skip the crap he posts that contains no actual content or arguments.

I haven't mentioned hate once.

I do think people that trash a relative newbie modder over something as silly as a quick rip of a popular map really do suck. But, you ALL did not do that. Just a select few to whom my comments were directed, and I never said they suck. I said they were stuck up elitist pricks who seem to believe that their copious amount of free time gives them the right to put down others who dont have so much time to make original content.


To answer your question tho, you can scoll up and read the part where I mentioned that someone from another community had linked me here after having a laugh about how uptight people were being about a non-issue such as this guy making a rip of a quake map for another quake game.

I came here to observe the asshattery, and I decided, once I was here, that I would enjoy myself at the expense of certain raging dicks who are overly concerned about copyright law and who feel it is disrespectful to them that a guy liked someone elses work enough to copy it to a new media and post it for others to try out.

Essentially, I came to observe the uptight stupidity, noticed how easy it would be to generate more stupidity from the people who were posting, and decided to stir the pot for more action.

Considering the number of people claiming this to be the best thread in a while, I think I succeeded in at least infusing some life into this internet backwater, even if I didn't convince one of you to take a step back and stop crapping on this guy for making a quick rip that hurt nobody and that you didn't have to comment on in the first place. 

208.57.237.156

If I'm reading your post correctly, and I believe I am, your position is:

Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 

Notice the lack of actual content in the above post and the intent of that poster.

He has nothing to add to this, and not even the nuts to come out directly and insult me now that he's run out of things to say and is still steamed that I trashed his supposed career for being nothing more than a thoughtless moneygrab that will fuck up the future of gaming if not kept in check.

Willem: Keep hiding behind your veiled insults so you can backtrack like a pussy when someone calls you on it. Maybe when you run out of those, you'll have a point to get across. 

I thought you were skipping our posts? How are you then responding to them?

Also, you're confusing time with skill.


Oh, and yeh, you totally trashed his career. How's life with your parents anyway? Tell your mum I said hi. 

What's that? I can't hear you through my money hat. 

@nonentity:

You aren't a very good troll, but at least you're trying. The childish shot at my mother was really original.

I said: "skip the crap he posts"
not "skip ALL of your posts"

next time, try reading. 

Just a select few to whom my comments were directed, and I never said they suck. I said they were stuck up elitist pricks who seem to believe that their copious amount of free time gives them the right to put down others who dont have so much time to make original content.

My problem with this is : Everyone has every right to put down anyone and everyone, for absolutely no reason at all, justified or not. It really has nothing to do with elitism.

By saying that we can't/shouldn't put down a guy who made a quick rip of someone else's map, you're basically saying that you yourself shouldn't be shitting on people who shit on that guy, since the comment itself hurt nobody, and was in fact harmless in and of itself. Yet you went ahead and did it anyway.

Other than that, I don't really care either way. 

I don't care! <stuff> <stuff> <stuff> I really care and want the attention :( 

208.57.237.156 is clever and has successfully played us all and earned his e-badge in baseless arguing and forum-baiting.

All of the regs here feel thoroughly ashamed of their actions, and 208.57.237.156's ego has been sufficiently boosted that he can return to this mystical 'other forum' from whence he came and leave us all to our anguished tears.

Func has been improved and 208.57.237.156 thinks he's responsible, so everybody's a winner. Hooray.

Can we talk about something less retarded now? I myself am working on a new map which I intend to release in the coming days. It's an unlit, single texture boxmap filled with a thousand explosive crates, and now that everybody here has learned their lesson in manners from 208.57.237.156, I look forward to their heaping praise upon it regardless of its quality or worth. 

"The mistake you made was to post a ripped off map on a forum frequented by people whose hobby it is to create original maps, so not only is what you've done unimpressive by their standards, it's also mildly disrespectful. "

Does this not stink of 'elitism' to you?
Who the hell has the right to feel like they've been treated disrespectfully by this guy who didn't intentionally do anything to them or even know of their standards?

I get your point tho and I agree to some degree.

Insulting people for the sake of entertaining conversation is fine and we all have the right to do so. I do it all the time.
where we may differ is here:

Doing it out of some belief that you're actually better than those others is not fine.
It's actually really lame.

The difference between what I did and what certain people here did, really lies in where the speaker was coming from.

I'm shitting on people for being obviously lame: they were shitting on a guy and his work over what amounts to nothing and acting like they were victims when in fact they were the aggressors.

Those people were shitting on this guy for doing something that he didn't even know would not live up to their 'high' standards.

I shit on them for not living up to fairly universal standards in human societies that say you shouldn't act like a dick to people over nothing. Yes I personally wasn't wronged by them, but that doesn't mean I can't tell them that they were wronging someone else and mock them for thinking they are justified in doing so. 

They weren't personally wronged by him, but that doesn't mean they can't tell him that he was wronging someone else and then mock him for thinking he is justified in doing so. 

For someone who doesn't care, you sure post a lot. 

text-fish stated that you're all wronged by saying that what the guy did was disrespectful to anyone who frequents this board, when in fact the guy was just uninformed and meant no disrespect. not one of you said "hey I dont feel like what he did was disrespectful".

If you interpret what the 'mapper' stated, he didn't even know he was being disrespectful, and as such there's no way he would feel justified in doing something that he didn't even realize he was doing.

Effectively, the regs here were mocking a guy and treating him disrespectfully over nothing, because no one should have been wronged (or felt that they were being treated poorly) by the act of posting a map.

It's obvious that his intent was to give you all something that he thought was of value.

What he got in return was a bunch of mean-spirited shit from people who are judgemental and who decided that his gift wasn't good enough for them, and stupidly took it as some sort of insult. 

He didn't present any work. He presented a brush for brush conversion of someone else's work. That deserves no respect or consideration. 

I do care about quake modding and people being willing to continue doing it.

When I came in here and saw people crapping on a guy over nothing, who was just trying to put forth his latest effort at adding something to the games, I was insulted and worried about the future of PC game modding if this is what it's communities foster.

I regularly assist others who show any want to learn how to make new assets for games, even if they are inexperienced.

I started making content for other's games as a young adult a year or so after duke3d was released. I've tried my hand at quake, C&C, CS, Unreal, and a few other games as well over the years.
I wrote a few games in old qbasic in elementary and middle school and created and distrubted games that I made in C++ and visual basic to my friends in high school.

In recent years, I've made from scratch and released 10 maps for quake2, and I've done some skinning, work on some mapping contests, helped with a couple of mods and a tiny bit of 3d modelling when I had the time. None of it is professional quality stuff but it's all original and I don't feel like this guy's 'work' was disrespectful to me or any other level headed modder who does this for fun and for the sake of having new cool stuff in games that they love.

As a modder myself, I think some of you give us a bad name by acting the way that you do.

I especially dislike guys who knowingly fuck up entire game genres, for profit, by shoehorning them into crappy console games for a living, and marketing them at the lowest common denominator of gamers. 

I can only assume you're directing your console insult towards me since you've mentioned it several times. I'm not sure how I personally am responsible for whatever slight you've perceived since I make levels and work on the tools a little bit. I guess I can shoulder responsibility for entire genres being, apparently, decimated because someone got chainsawed in Gears of War but I don't think it's even remotely reasonable. 

and noone played the Hitler card. Who says we are not improving ;-) 

you and your money hat.

if you haven't seen (from within the industry no less!) the consistent degredation of various video game genres (shooters foremost) that is caused by 'AAA' console titles consisting of crappy rehashes of what PCs have done better, then you're completely oblivious.

Market trends that cause companies (like the one you work for) to repeatedly put out reskinned titles with a few new guns and no new features, are not entirely the fault of stupid consumers.

The companies themself bear responsibility because they use their superior budgets to hype these titles as the best thing since sliced bread instead of actually spending their money on innovating like indy PC developers have done for years.

I can't wait to see the new iD now that they're owned by a console kiddie catering investment group that doesn't give a shit about gaming except as a means to make profit.

Making games used to at least be a little bit about the art. Now if you want to even make a game, you can't get funding without pandering to the LCD. 

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