 Was The Plan Fifth :)
#1138 posted by Skiffy on 2016/01/23 13:49:47
Any future models I would add additional features on the back end for any intrepid programmer to tinker with if they are up for it. I plan to add at least 1 new range attack and death for the shambler after his first release. Some sort of AOE lighting sphere channel attack is what I have in mind.
 Alt Shambles
#1139 posted by sock on 2016/01/23 14:24:15
Any future models I would add additional features on the back end for any intrepid programmer to tinker with
If you want I can add the new Shambler model to AD with alternative channel attack. Please don't listen to anyone about framegroups, they are freakin nightmare to get right in QC.
Things to consider with your model, add idle animations (checking hands, looking around etc), alternative death animations, maybe a stomp to the ground attack (could be cool for a stomp+lightning combo) Any new stuff you add, let people know the movement speed you animated at, it will make implementing the QC easier.
Also if you have time, update the horrible head gib model, that is so damn ugly it makes me cringe when I see it in game. Any extra gib models (claws+feet) are always welcome! :P
#1140 posted by adib on 2016/01/23 14:54:44
In ad-obd I saw a shambler foot gib that reminded me the cyberdemon, and it felt great.
 Tried To Add Some Dirt And Emphasis On Some Parts
#1141 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/23 17:47:26
 Advanced Usage Of Qmdl In Python
#1142 posted by Preach on 2016/01/23 18:54:20
Since the topic came up, the group_frames function in qmdl does support an optional 4th parameter called duration, which defaults to 0.1 if not set. This sets the duration of frames in the framegroup. Because of the GLQuake bug that prevents per-frame setting of the value in most engines, the function only takes a single value and applies it to all frames. You could write your own code to set individual values if you desired but I wouldn't recommend it.
#1143 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 19:16:37
Avoid mixing blue tones with gray, that's very hard to get it looking really good in the software renderer.
Try to use similar hues for both the base image and the weathering, only drastically switching hues on neighbouring pixels that have the same brightness, to smooth out the transition.
Grayscale tones are difficult to mix with other colors. They mix better with more desaturated colors.
 Sock Yea Sure!
#1144 posted by Skiffy on 2016/01/23 19:19:24
That would be a nice debut for this guy I think in Arcane Dimension. I just finished his original animation set so now I can look into adding some new one. Check it out!
https://youtu.be/OemMkCeTB6Y
New Idle and death for sure! AOE Stomping lighting attack would be murder.
Speaking of lighting... Its one of the things I would love to redo. Longer more varied chunks because the default tiles like crazy and does not give me the electric vibe.
 Skiffy
that looks absolutely incredible!! Cannot wait for this badboy!
 It Does Look Incredibly Good And Faithful To The Original
#1146 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 19:46:51
 Buttock Wiggle Animation Please
#1147 posted by Spirit on 2016/01/23 20:02:22
 Https://youtu.be/l3fZuW-aJsg
#1148 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 20:28:08
 Oh My God Do I Try
#1149 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/23 20:34:27
this time trying to put more rust, bonus point for software rendering (I don't like that because it stings the eyes, but some people do so eh)
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/03/1453577612-wip4-bfg9500.png
 Idle Shambler Claws
#1150 posted by sock on 2016/01/23 21:25:22
That would be a nice debut for this guy I think in Arcane Dimension. I just finished his original animation set so now I can look into adding some new one
I would recommend 2 idles, something with claws as they are obvious to see from a distance. Also as the Shambler has no neck, turning would not be obvious to see. 3 channeling lightning animations (start/looped/stop), a single foot stop (shockwave effect, lift all around up into the air unless jumping) and 1 extra death animation.
I would suggest any new features be on a shambler with a new skin (always best to keep the original behaviour) and to keep the HP exactly the same with GL/RL resist as before. If you want this as part of AD then then let me know as it could be added as a patch easily.
Longer more varied chunks because the default tiles like crazy
The lightning bolts are hard coded to the engine lightning effect. If you want more variety of bolts then its needs new QC to calculate the length, draw the segments and then fade them. It could be easily added as this is what I am doing with the AD fire wraith.
#1151 posted by metlslime on 2016/01/23 21:35:02
skiffy: that looks great.
 BFG Comments
#1152 posted by Preach on 2016/01/23 21:46:29
Hey Daya, that latest one has come on leaps and bounds from the first shots. Making the weathering rusty is a good move because it gives the metal a contrasting warmer colour to the blue body. It could probably stand to take a bit more noise on the flat portions, perhaps by adding a specular highlight on those portions (the directional illumination is already much better).
I think you could also get some more mileage out of that blue glowing bit at the back. If you can bake some fake blue reflected highlights into the surrounding portions it will stand out much more. You are working with the quake palette of course, but you might be able to switch palette rows to do it, using the lower bright blue row to find some more saturated highlight for the blue bodywork, and pale blue tones on the nearest metalwork highlights.
One final idea for the light itself, since the palette has very few fullbright blue tones it's hard to do anything other than make it totally flat. However, perhaps you could try a chequerboard pattern with the lighter shade. In software mode you might hope for an effect like:
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzU1WDE2MDA=/z/KpsAAOxyVLNS8SsT/$_35.JPG
In GLQuake the smoothing will at least create more texture and perhaps some kind of gradient effect.
 Daya
#1153 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 21:50:08
Now it's looking really closer to the original Quake style. I'll wait to see it ingame.
 Preach
#1154 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/23 22:22:17
 Exactly
#1155 posted by Preach on 2016/01/23 22:34:45
But more so. The light had a great pattern now. The highlights on the edge are what's needed, but can you try adding some spilling onto the surrounding elements? Like the inside edge of the crank handle, maybe the metal part of the stock and the blue portions right below the light. Make it so it's really emitting (fake) light onto the surrounding portions.
 Paintover
#1156 posted by Preach on 2016/01/23 22:52:18
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/1453584132-bfg9500-backlight.jpg
One thing I didn't mention was the highlights on the ridges. It looks like the light is coming from back to front on the model (a good choice for first person models), so the sides of the ridges closest to the player should be in highlight.
 Thanks For The Schematic, I Needed That To Properly See What To Do
#1157 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/23 23:26:39
 Now We're Cooking
#1158 posted by Preach on 2016/01/23 23:51:40
Others may have suggestions but I'm liking it now. The way the blue highlights on the handles define the shape is really nice, it's a shame that will only be seen on the pickup model. Unless the handle can drop down during the fire animation to show it off...
If there's any way to fade the blue highlight out towards the back of the middle surface of the stock that would be nice, but it might take some clever pixelisation depending on how deep the palette will go.
One last job to do when all the skin is basically finalised is to look for all the seams, and use QME to try and unify the pixels on the edges. For example, the caps on the cylinders have bright pixels on the lower half, which clash with the shadows on the sides of the cylinders. You can paint in 3d view, using right-click to select the pixel colour from one side of the seam, and left click to apply it to the other. I do recognise this is a level of nit-picking very few of my models would stand up to...
 I Don't Trust QME In That Regard
#1159 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/24 00:02:43
It did wierd stuff with edges and texture deformation for my Infantry Gun and Gatling Gun while they looked good in both Blender and Quake (Quakespasm and DP).
As for the viewmodel, I plan on cutting the crank. I prefer viewmodels where we can't see the player's hand, and while making the hand appear like in Q2 would make the weapon look exceptional, I just prefer going the "no-hands" way. Still, when that crank rev-up sound comes up I'll be sure to lean the model left and backwards to simulate that strong pull Ranger has to do to recharge the big guy.
Oh and, thanks for your input Preach, as always it has been helpful.
 Oh, But With Care
#1160 posted by Preach on 2016/01/24 00:12:07
When I suggest tweaking the skin in QMe, I mean
1) Paint on the skin using QMe
2) Export the modified skin to a new file (so the original is backed up)
3) Import that modified skin to the model made using the original tools (e.g. blender/gmax/etc)
Saving the model in QMe directly will usually degrade the quality in some way, but changing the skin in this way should be safe (assuming you don't do something you dislike on the skin AND you lose the backup you started with).
 Hmm
#1161 posted by Preach on 2016/01/24 00:13:28
Blender has some way to paint on the skin in 3d as well, right? Can you still work in the quake palette when you do that?
 Blender Has Direct-on-model Painting Yes
#1162 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/24 00:25:35
But I don't know much about it, never tried it as I don't think it supports layers and palette import.
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