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I'm not sure the bell-lord comment was needed but I agree. I guess Quake 2 has protected us from terrible sequels.
How you feeling Kinn? You've been a tad aggressive as of late. I'm not sure the bell-lord comment was needed but I agree.
Sorry but I wasn't calling you personally a bell-lord, which is why I prefaced that paragraph with "Gentlemen", to indicate that I just generally calling everyone a bell-lord. How you feeling Kinn? You've been a tad aggressive as of late. I can assure you that this is just me being normal. Like most Brits I swear like a sailor at every opportunity, and if an opportunity isn't already available, I make one. lol at that guy playing devil's advocate and defending the pinata mechanics. "Guys, it totally makes sense and we have no proof it's going to be as stupid as it looks and sounds!"
You talking to me?
Not only am I not scared to hold that opinion, notice that I will also post it in my name, instead of hiding behind an anonymous post like a scared kitten. I don't think even Bethesda's stupid enough to go back to the Strogg-verse.
It has already been set in stone by modern standarts in Quake 4 and it got lukewarm reception at best. Hell it's the most forgotten modern iD game! If Quake 4 hadn't happened then yes they would try that today. Quake V Descent into Madness or bust. (inb4 Quake 5 is a DLC pack for snapmap) Yes that's an interesting topic. I think they could indeed finally merge the quake/q2 worlds to make sense.
Maybe, it could be like quake is the same universe as as q2, just 1000s of years earlier. Much like Prometheus became a prequel to Alien. They'd have to have story for it to make sense. Why not time travel? Humans are losing the war against Stroggos, so develop time travel in order to discover some doomsday device from the past that was long lost. Only once they get back there, they find it's just as deadly against the old gods. That'll also explain why it's mostly fantasy settings, but with a little bit of modern base. The modern base levels have been built by modern day man as bases of operation in the past, because finding said doomsday device is something that will take a lot of time. That way you have both Stroggos in the future portions of the game (maybe 1/4) because we've got to have the Gladiators and obviously the last chapters will be in defeating the Strogg. But with the majority and middle part of the game being in the old world. Quake 5 being set entirely in modern bases isn't good enough to stand on it's own anymore. It's been done. They did it for Quake4 and it was probably id's most average game. They can't just repeat that in idtech6, and Rage showed that if they attempt RPG they're going to assreamed. The other possibility is that they're simply two different galaxies or solar systems but somehow linked... perhaps the power of Shub is something both humans and the Strogg are in a race to capture. Seeing the weaker Quake2 enemies getting ripped to pieces by a Shambler would be pretty awesome. Like the humans discovered the Slipgate technology, this somehow attracts the Stroggs, we kick their asses on Earth and we counter-attack on Stroggos.
But for half the game you fight against the Stroggs on Stroggos but after that you discover their true nature and you have to go splipgatin' in lovecraftian dimensions (Better if you're just the latest human alive and the entire counter-attack squadron has been destroyed). Much like Prometheus became a prequel to Alien.
Probably not the best example since, you know, that movie sucks ass. Wouldn't it be better to have two stylistically distinct IPs? In my mind, it would make sense to leave the tech/alien thing to doom and the gothic/medival stuff with quake. I dunno, it would take excellent writing and execution to pull of the merger of the old and new quake stories. I like Q2/Q4, but they really are just so bland. Have Q2 and Q4 being those massive wars being fought out while Doom is considered an isolated incident? Afterall Quake 2's intro mentionned a colony on Mars, so it pretty much writes itself.
I think trying to crowbar in the Strogg world into the much more surreal and Lovecraftian Quake world would really dilute the whole thing though.
To be honest, the whole Doom/Quake delineation is a mess and the split probably shouldn't have happened. Quake began life as a totally different game concept but right at the very end everyone threw their hands in the air and said "fuck it this ain't working so let's just keep the maps we've made but replace the gameplay with Doom's gameplay, more or less". The problem with Doom and Quake as brands, is that at this point in time, there is nothing to separate them in terms of basic game mechanics. They are literally the same concept: you have guns, there are demons. You find keys to open doors. That's pretty much it. Some of the Quakes were better Doom games than Doom 3 was. I think id would be smart to just focus on the more successful and famous brand - Doom, rather than make another game that's basically like Doom 4 but belongs to a different brand. Not even id could decide whether they were making a Doom or a Quake with each successive game. Quake 2 had Doom's weapons. It brought back many of Doom's monster behaviours. It had none of the Quake monsters. Doom 3 played nothing like Doom 1/2, but had an ambient spooky creepiness a bit like Quake, and was far, far removed from the fast thrash metal slaughterhouse feeling of Doom 1/2 I think "Quake" name is too attached to that storyline mudball that comes from base to runic to strogg. If lovecraftian is the thing, they should start something new and consistent, well designed, and then sell it like "evoking Quake". Descent into lovecraftian madness, paying tribute to Quake, but not being "Quake V".
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They're """""thinking"""" about introducing mod tools to the PC user base. Goddamnit when you make a new DOOM game, one which comes to PC too, mod tools are a no-brainer goddamnit. Still, maybe we'll get lucky and get some ACTUAL modding. Personally I think there should be multiple levels of modding, or at least map making. The console version, which we have now. An intermediary version, like a more complex version of the portal editor, something inbetween the portal editor and trenchbroom. And advanced version just whatever they used to make the game.
Maybe you could make something in the beginner or intermediary version and export it into the full editor and take your map further. This is how some of the Portal 2 maps are made, it's made in the basic editor and then you import it into Hammer and then detail it out and make it pretty. Now we just need the mean to make custom weapons, models, monsters, maps and skins
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