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Posted by Doom4 on 2008/05/08 02:47:10 |
Doom4 has been announced, id are looking for people, if you are that person, and are good at what you do, have a look.
http://www.idsoftware.com/
Doom4, discuss it or not. |
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 *it's A More Realistic Setting, But That Doesn't Mean It's More
#1101 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/22 10:09:33
immersive.
#1102 posted by Killes on 2016/01/22 11:14:48
For sure, I suppose many people have trouble getting immersed in non reality-logic environments and designs, that would explain many trends in game design/gfx.
Disclaimer : that's not a dig at people, it just is, different brains and all.
 Unreal
#1103 posted by nitin on 2016/01/22 11:45:45
was much more immersive for me than Half Life.
Also plenty of modern day quake levels are more immersive than a number of modern games.
 I Like To
#1104 posted by ijed on 2016/01/22 12:22:18
Make my levels longer so that they're more immersive.
Quake's gameplay is engaging, so if you have a well executed theme that is immersive then you get the conveyance.
 Your Rrp Map
#1105 posted by nitin on 2016/01/22 13:40:00
is a great example of what I was referring to.
#1106 posted by nitin on 2016/01/22 13:41:34
so it does come back down to gameplay and atmosphere no?
I mean quake has pickups etc, gameplay mechanics arent always realistic or logical but does it really matter.
#1107 posted by nitin on 2016/01/22 13:42:41
story, character upgrade/progress, it's all faff if you dont have the basics.
 Yes
#1108 posted by ijed on 2016/01/22 16:29:14
But there will always be a personal taste element to it as well, which is where I think a lot of the disagreements in this thread come from.
Some people like jazz, others metal, others techno etc etc. One piece of music can be objectively as good as another of a completely different type, but won't be liked as much by different people because of their individual tastes.
Its a safe bet that anyone commenting here likes FPS games, but even within that genre, there is a massive breadth of variety.
 I Just Watched The "breaking The Modern Shooter Mold" Video
#1109 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 09:21:11
And the glowing icons actually make total sense from a game design perspective.
Remember that other thread about "is modern game development doomed?". Remember the replies about the ammo boxes in Quake being huge because the player must notice them at any costs?
In Doom 4, the ammo pickup models have a more realistic size, which means they would be harder to see. The floating icon over the ammo solves that.
Sure, the floating icon don't match the style of the game's objects, but it does match the style of the helmet visor/HUD, so it's actually perfectly consistent in terms of game design & art design.
The inconsistency is not within Doom 4 itself, but with the atmosphere of the classic Doom games. Classic Doom didn't have a Half-Life style glowing HUD or Metroid Prime style glowing visor.
It seems that the only Doom game they got some HUD inspiration from for the Doom 4 visor is Doom 3, and then they expanded upon it.
Making the floating icons optional or being able to select a more subtle set of icons could solve that, at the cost of gameplay awareness or artistic style consistency, respectively.
 Make It Like Metal Gear Rising
#1110 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/23 09:44:53
Where pickups in the player's vision materializes a high-tech-style arrow that highlights the item's silhouette and at the end of the arrow make a small text that describes what it is (Health + 20, Bullets + 10...)
#1111 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 10:44:01
"Questions from the community" video:
https://youtu.be/NrIMb-ro-UI
My first reaction was to feel sorry for Marty. He seems to be going through hell to get this game done.
Anyway, my fears about the map puzzles were confirmed: They're focusing on not letting the players get lost, so the layout style of the maps should be like the style of the maps in the 2013 Shadow Warrior: everything but the secrets is straightforward, and each map should be just a semi-linear series of battle arenas.
A satisfying combat system can make the game fun, alright. But it won't be enough to honor the legacy of the gameplay of the classics.
 Something I Noticed In The First E3 Gameplay Video
The way from the first ambush up to the bloody half-opened door is effectively a circle.
 Lack Of Willits Is Odd
#1113 posted by killpixel on 2016/01/23 17:13:35
I wonder if he's resigning but has a deal with zeni to not announce it until after doom is released.
Also, im sure the pressure on straton is unreal. The guy needs a hug.
 Promising Sounding Bits
http://pastebin.com/FB66Bs4k
In terms of level-design, id goes back to the roots. Tubes like in Call of Duty are frowned upon, the levels in the reboot span multiple floors, contain hidden secrets and old-fashioned keycards. After over a decade of presumed casual-shooters, it's not that easy (even with two- and three-dimensional automap) to get an overview.
Snapmap gives you access to all objects, enemies and environments, that id Software made for Doom (2016). The editor is mainly set up for pre-made rooms, which you can easily stick together. However, you can then change everything in detail: Sound effects, lighting, decorations, the amount and strength of enemies, door-placement, consoles, stairs and keycards. Yes, even the HUD can be changed to fit the mapper's needs.
On top of that, there's the scripting language, that allows complex algorithms by simple connection of logic chains. Imagine it like this: You place an enemy and tell the game, that a door is supposed to open when it dies. Or you connect a switch with a weapon and arrange it that the weapon is only supposed to appear when the player hits the switch - and on the side, a different music track should play and a couple of hell knights should spawn in the room.
 #1114
#1115 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/23 19:38:36
Marty actually said that bosses won't be available in SnapMap, because their size and code would overcomplicate things. Not a big loss, though.
What I liked the most in that article: Upgrades aren't bought, they're collected like regular items. There seems to be no grinding then.
The talk of "upgrade points" in the maps sounds like the Dr. Light spots in MegaMan X, which is a great thing.
The jetpack sounds cool, and the item drops from the executions seems to depend on the equipped upgrades; I'm actually neutral about this last bit, will only be able to judge this after playing the game.
#1116 posted by JneeraZ on 2016/01/24 12:44:43
http://www.gamesradar.com/doom-most-cerebral-slaughterhouse-youve-ever-seen/
Apparently, it's cerebral because health packs.
Also, SnapMap is an amazing editor ... as amazing as Little Big Planet was.
So ... hype? :-/
 Just The Intro Paragraph Gave Me Cancer
Fuck whatever scrawny bearded low test fuck wrote this garbage.
#1118 posted by Kinn on 2016/01/24 13:31:31
Shut up you filthy anti-CoD, �old school�-worshipping curmudgeons.
 Lolllllllllll
#1119 posted by nitin on 2016/01/24 13:46:00
hilarious article.
 Oh, Healthpacks Aren't The Norm Anymore Because
#1120 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/24 14:22:55
Game devs and AAA gamers think they're too complicated? Jesus
And how the guy wrote the 90s FPS era, it seems like he passes this off as an obsolete thing, even though it was pretty much the golden era of PC Gaming, which went on until the mid 2000s.
Because of that, I don't think I'll take his word as SnapMap being as complex as Little Big Planet. Maybe as complex as FPS Creator's, lol.
#1121 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/24 17:20:11
That article seems intended at teaching casuals the very basics of good FPS games.
Now, I'm pretty confused by this whole "trading points for upgrades" thing. Are there in-game stores after all? Will the gameplay have some sort of grinding?
 Puffery.
#1122 posted by killpixel on 2016/01/24 18:39:50
The fact that this guy is speaking as though a doom-like is the second coming of christ goes to show just how insipid and tedious modern fps games have become.
Looking back at doom 4's first incarnation has given me a renewed sense of gratitude, though.
Crossing my fingers for a gothic, medieval, lovecraftian Quake V before 2020.
 If Quake 5 Happen, Let's Hope The Gameplay Comes Close To 1's
#1123 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/24 18:45:59
#1124 posted by mankrip on 2016/01/24 19:58:04
I have way less hope for a Quake V to be good in all aspects, because there's no way to ignore the Q2 and Q4 storyline.
Merging that with the Lovecraftian storyline of Quake would be a mess; either it would weaken the Lovecraftian atmosphere of Quake, or it would stupidfy the sci-fi atmosphere of Q2 & Q4. Or something in the middle.
Making Quake 5 be a sequel to Quake 4 would be a safer bet, in terms of business.
The original Quake storyline would work better if they rebranded it and split it completely from the Q2 & Q4 universe. It would be controversial since Shub-Niggurath's nickname is Quake, but the Q2 & Q4 storyline has already got a stronger establishment under the Quake brand now (more proper games, which are more recent and with a more developed plot).
Giving a fresh brand to the original Quake would allow id to go wild with its fantasy horror theme and develop it properly without catering to the Stroggos' universe audience.
 Let MachineGames Handle It
#1125 posted by aDaya on 2016/01/24 20:02:58
Quake V Descent Into Madness
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