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i�m going to be honest!
hurray for Preach for giving is time in this! About old Quoth team... it was a good mode but the lack of replies on mails and stuff i think will kill this real fast... i lost all the pleasure to map for Quoth and i will probably remake my other map to... because NOBODY IS FUCKING PAYD LIKE NECROS WROTE TO JPL... but get paid is not just for modellers or coders� didn�t done it yet because I�m working in another map and i�m all horny about it :p but no one also pay us to map for this mod... so with people so nice in Quoth team i quit! sick of kids... already got one... and another one on the way anyway people that even bothered to coment other people work even deserv to be in this comunity... stop reading func_ and go to hell when i brought up the argument about being paid, i was talking about how i couldn't devote 100% of my time to working on quoth (as i would if it was a job), not that i ever expected to be paid for making a user mod for quake.
yet, there was pressure for a quoth2 release surpassing even what i've seen given to commercial companies when they delay a release. some of you guys gave the stalker community a run for it's money. maybe some of that *was* my fault. i'm not a PR guy, i don't post to placate, only to update. i can't word my posts to make them look like i'm answering questions when i'm not, to trick people into allowing more delays. also, at that time, i had just started at a new school, was working to afford said school and wanted to learn d3 mapping to help 'fatten' up my portfolio. i'm sorry you seem to think that me working on a fan mod is more important than that, but the truth is, it's not. honestly, don't try to sit here and put words in my mouth with BS like the above. ok, whatever, you're not a kid. grats. all i see is some embittered guy, who, because he was forced to wait to release his map, now sits back flinging ad hominem attacks around. in any case, i really don't want to continue with this discussion. i vowed never to post here again after i stopped working on it, but i felt i should break the vow to clear this up. beyond that though, i'd rather this be closed. What have I done??!
Look - Quoth 1 If you ask me it was good! I have enjoyed playing it and mapping for it! Its better than mapping standard quaker IMHO, so thats what Im doing. My map is too big no - hunk alloc block failure BTW, so im now 'doctoring' it and it will be sooner than i might have originally thought.... Anyhoo.. I would map for Quoth 2 and email for progs and stuff, but its not like Ive had my nose rubbed in it, and yeah, Quoth1 has it's shotcomings, dont get me wrong, but its good, so im not complaining. Look as GTA4 - theyre all getting piad to make that, and I wander howmany death threats theyve had for putting it back for half a year? I mean - I havent been told when Quoth2 is gonna be finished cause I get the impression (from lack of reply to small posts quizzing it) that itll be 'done when its done'. When its done, I hopei'll have the time to map for it!! Anyway - New map on the way, gonna finish it v.soon I think! If anyone has anythig to say regarding my map, or some sort of pack then please do. i.e - solutions for hunk alloc block errors (cause tha room I added today (meant to be one of the last) took me over the limit for FitzQuake) please help hunkAB?! If not, room will be start map ;) also testers - any tester be my guest, I mail you in a few days, please let me know if you wanna help test - Trinca please test (you are a good tester) JPL? Mr IJed? Who else? Mr Lunaran - I bet your testing is really good! (sorry BTW, I honestly feel like a n00b!:-( No can do I'm afraid.
Also, (guess what I'm going to say next) you'll probably get a better response in the screenshots and betas thread. Even if everyone is still checking back here to warm thier hands over the continued fallout. necros everybody got there owns lives... and what we ever asked was a fucking replay... i email you at least two times to ask you the size of monters so i could make a
but not reply to people is not nice... anyway i quit... Quoth was a fun mod to map... but i lost the fun... i even talk with SDA team so they can change the stuff to be possible to run maps for speedruns... but guess i was also losting my time... anyway i will not waste no more time on this... i wish you all the best in live seriusly... hope you someday work in a big games company becouse you are a outstanding mapper... good day all! Guess Ill leave my map as standalone thingy then.
Gotta say though, I'll stop posting on this thread now, but as for having an idea - 'Base Pack', this thread shows a pretty spectacular death of an idea - almost commendable in style :P '...Last survivor of the Nostromo - signing out' I think we got exelent mappers in this small comunity... i made a mistake back than!
Posted by Trinca [85.88.130.59] on 2006/08/07 06:57:42 people dont work wel as a team... becouse everybody got there owns lives!!! we are not kids anymore! so is better if we still working in our own projects... Rickyt23: are you french ? And sorry, I'm very busy at the moment so I don't think I would find time to beta test your map.
Trinca: Calm down please... necros: Seriously, Trinca's point is valid: he / I asked several times about having a status about Quoth2 progress, and we never get a single answer. A single "we don't know when it will be ready" would have been enough, I would have been happy with such an answer, but I never get any single reply, only insulting posts, cause we were to "hurry" and "enthusiast"... maybe to aggresive regarding your point of view. And the fact you flamed me personnally just helped me to deliver my map earlier, and self outcast me from this pack. So back to the past: why did you (Kell, to be honest) delivered a preliminary release if the intention was to not deliver ? I can understand at this time you were not in the loop, and also it would have been intersting for us to understand you didn't want to be part of the "adventure"... Many people here were expecting Quoth2, and get nothing, the first was me... What is the logic behind this acts ? I understand very well that you are a hobbyist, like Trinca, like me, like all of us here, but please, never answering a post, never answering emails is very rude IMHO... Also the fact I tried to emulate everybody trying to find unfair solution, like delivering the preliminary pack in without Kell's agreement, was just a way to make people reacts... and when I say people I'm talking of the Quoth2 stakeholders ! and believe me, I would not have done it without Kell's permission. I respect too much his work for that.. Well, and finally, what will we get: nothing, no pack, and 2 years of delay, and many crys.. What a positive status ! Anyway, quoth2 will see the light of days (who knows when?) one day, and I will be the first to applause, and make a map with this mod... And now, damned sons of bitches, go map and stop crying on the past... prepare the future please... ;) let�s rename pack name!!!
now name is: Delayed Pack and release date 2010 please a admin change topic :p he / I asked several times about having a status about Quoth2 progress, and we never get a single answer
as i said, i'm not a PR. i only post when i have something new to say. when someone asks me 'are you ready yet' and the answer is the same as the last time i was asked, i see no reason to reply. why did you (Kell, to be honest) delivered a preliminary release if the intention was to not deliver ? i don't think i can ever understand this point of view... do you honestly think kell and i were sitting there forumulating a plan to purposely fuck everyone over by claiming to make a mod and then tricking everyone by not following through? if so, you have too much time on your hands to think about these things. of course kell and i wanted to complete it to the best of our abilities. we both have similar work ethics. we believe in doing something right while accepting the minimum of tradeoffs. you have no idea how much discussion there was about what to skip and what to keep in. we felt, since it was going to be the last quoth, that we should get as much as possible in, even though there was pressure for a release. Also the fact I tried to emulate everybody trying to find unfair solution, like delivering the preliminary pack in without Kell's agreement, was just a way to make people reacts and you wonder why i flamed you personally? either you were serious about it, and that makes you ethically wrong, or you used it as a way to get us to post, which is manipulative and underhanded. anyway, i'm off to eat-- i don't really know what else there is to say on this subject. do you honestly think kell and i were sitting there forumulating a plan to purposely fuck everyone over by claiming to make a mod and then tricking everyone by not following through?
I'm pretty sure it was not the case, though... and you wonder why i flamed you personally? either you were serious about it, and that makes you ethically wrong, or you used it as a way to get us to post, which is manipulative and underhanded And do you want me to react after twenty emails/post with no reply ? It was the only way to make you react ! In anyway, I'd be please to see Quoth2, and to use it... And for sure you acted as a bastard (sorry, but this reality)... at least it is my point of view.. End of story. I've just been sitting back and eating popcorn. But I was going to strain something if I didn't respond to this:
the answer is the same as the last time i was asked, i see no reason to reply. It's called communication, and it's something that human beings normally do with one another. If someone asks "What's going on?", then "Nothing's changed; go away for at least a week or two and quit bugging me." is a pissy but acceptable answer. Even "Go away and quit bothering me; I'm not going to respond to you anymore." puts a footnote on things, and explains the silence thereafter. Simply not responding is unacceptable, passive-aggressive horseshit that leaves people confused and angry and serves to make a difficult situation even more messed up. Fucking off now.
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