News | Forum | People | FAQ | Links | Search | Register | Log in
Remake Quake Tedious Beef Thread.
This thread is more for fun that anything else. There a conservative streak in me, but a radical streak too. I appreciate both sides of the coin.

That being said, although I do not find Spirit's archiving limits unreasonable, I do find some of the objections to the body of work in Remake Quake totally unreasonable.

Some people criticize Remake Quake as not being "Quake" enough and cry about it.

My personal opinion is that aside from Negke --- who I believe is an especially unique enigma unmatched in his unconventional and perfectionist style --- that the 1,376 id1 maps at Quaddicted adequately cover everything of substance that is ever gonna be done with id1 Quake.

I think Remake Quake is doing exactly the kind of thing that Carmack envisioned when he open-sourced damn near all of Quake: experimentation and risky creativity.

Seriously, aside from a puzzle and a grappling hook [Oh noes ... 3D navigations!! OMG ... ] and a vial here and there Remake Quake is Quake to the core. Just with more imagination.

It doesn't have any of Mr. Fribble's derided blinking T-Shirts or any silly bling. Instead it has awesome sleeping Shamblers.

In the words of the sometimes objectionable, and yet immortally wise and always appreciated for he who is/was/continues-to-be, Shambler ...

Discuss. Preferably without references to bees. ;)
First | Previous | Next | Last
I'll Be Out Of Here Once I Get My Computer Sorted Again, Don't Worry 
Also pretty sure I didn't post "anus" anywhere?

This thread isn't about how you're not allowed to post here, it's about how shit RMQ is. Hope this helps! 
Sweet 
thanks for another "serious-yet-not-yet-fucking-with-people" post from the king of 1-decade-old curvy maps and annoying posts. I'd be insulting the French if I called you the Derrida of Quake mapping. You've got your own style, I'll give you that, and I understand the how and possibly part of the why too.

Enjoy your new computer. Glad you stopped by. 
Thanks, No Problem. 
 
Any Time 
Your contributions as a personality have always been so wonderful. 
Actually 100% Serious: 
If this project was not called RemakeQuake absolutely nobody would have an issue with it. 
Bah 
Even though I respect the hell out of Spirit for doing what he does and am grateful to him for posting my reviews (though some of them aren't as good as they should be, I do believe in the "formal map review" format of Shambler to encourage mappers), I disagree with him on whether RMQ is a giant quake episode with modding, or instead a totally different thing which goes beyond quake episode/mod.

Anyway I have a hard time believing you're (CZG) ever 100% serious given your notoriety for being an asshole, and, obviously a title wouldn't change much. But whoever's on what side, and I don't even know who is on what side or why, I've always been offended by much of what GB identified above in his post. I surely am a paranoid mofo, but the spam spammed on all of us as some kind of inside joke by "established" mappers from 10 years ago, is or ought to be done. I'm not denying the possibility that I'm just bitter and paranoid, and I AM trying to be reasonable, insofar as a person with my psychology can be. But dude, I don't like what you bring to this discussion. It seems to me some pretentious fucking around. Not trying to seem less reasonable than I already often do seem, but that is simply an honest expression of the tone of your posts to me. I'm not demanding you go, I'm not even asking for you to modify your posting style, I'm just asking you to know - that I'll bitch. Bitch. 
OI 
Stop bullying czg, he is a wonderful person struggling to express himself.

ijed: You know pretty damn well that people presenting/talking about their work-in-progress here is a crucial subject. Don't try to shift the topic in such a ridiculous way.

gb: For the record, it seems you are/were the one kicking and screaming and thoroughly enjoying the side of the victim. 
Quaddicted Rules 
I got a new review by Tronyn in the mail and it is totally awesome! I will post it at Quaddicted.com on the weekend! 
Also My Last Map Was In 2005 Not 2001 Please Get Your Facts Straight 
 
Alright 
alright I need to calm down again. I apologize, with the belief that given how tiny, specialized, and well-intentioned (ahem) this community is, we can totally get along. 
Heh - Non-apology! - Or Rather Complication Of Such. 
well CZG you made your name - in this tiny place we call our community - with Insomnia. I never said otherwise, in fact I believe I specifically called you "the king of 1-decade-old curvy maps and annoying posts." Nowhere there was there any statement on when you released your last map,it could have been yesterday! In fact, it was slightly complementary in saying that your map of 10 years ago was KING.
anyway what you last said was simply wrong and incorrect. Get your facts straight, especially in a post called "Get your facts straight." come on now. 
Triple 
as to make sense of the last two.
we're still getting along I'm just making my position clear. 
I Don't Like Those Maps. I Wish People Would Stop Liking Them. 
 
Heh 
well whatever I might think of you if I let that influence my views of your maps I'd be a shitty reviewer. Though I shouldn't let this response end without another note that the post it responds to - lol - again contains the tone you seem incapable of abandoning. Don't take me for a purely bitter man, I see the humour. Ass. 
"anyway What You Last Said Was Simply Wrong And Incorrect" 
Which part? That if it changed its name noone would be angry about it?
Maybe I'm wrong, at least I wouldn't be angry about it. I could be free to ignore it like so much else. Might be that other people have other issues with it of course.

As it is now it sends a message to people who haven't played Quake, but might be interested in it, that 'hey, this is what Quake was supposed to be like!' And then they play it and they're all 'Quake sure has awful sounds, bad lighting, weird physics and monster insta-deaths!'

I can't ignore RMQ because the name says it's a Quake Remake, Quake done properly, and I don't think it is.
I wouldn't want anyone who are going to play Quake for the first time to have RMQ as their introduction. 
There, Was That Post "serious" Enough For You? 
Gawrsh! It's almost as if you're some sort of emotional vampire! 
This Is Getting Fun 
we sooooo understand each other, at least you can't bait me any further.

I actually thought you fucking with me was going to be forced to end but this last post is a stroke of genius. Thankfully I'm not quite dumb enough to fall for it, but I totally appreciate the humour in it, and recognize that I'd be a legitimately hilarious fool if I responded all pissed off to it!

I guess all I can say is, nicely played, sir. Make some maps. It'd be hard for you to make shitty maps, whatever our differences may be. Anus. 
I Honestly Don't Understand 
I posted a post intended as being serious, then a post asking if it actually read as serious.
I'm not trolling you or anything, it almost seems as if it's the other way around... 
CZG 
your last post is the most hilarious thing I've read on this forum. If you meant it in earnest I'm sorry. I am a bit paranoid. But lol, jesus lol, this last post of yours is so funny that it actually justifies all my frustration with you leading up to that point, that is how ironic and amusing and frankly hilarious I find it (and I mean that, I'm not fucking with you, I'm happy this whole exchange occured either way). Even if I'm only laughing at my own paranoia (and I've been as straightforward as I can possibly be in all my posts here), god, that's good.

It seems to me you've been deliberately changing the subject and playing the victim. If this is all a misinterpretation of mine, I'm sorry. And if you HONESTLY don't understand, well, either way the universe got a bit more awesome. Sorry to have offended you! 
Still Don't Understand Your Act To Be Honest... 
Posts #82 and #92 are genuine. 
Well 
that's probably because it's no act.

I'm willing to accept the idea that those 2 posts are genuine, but you have to be able to accept the idea that, given your method of interaction here, people such as myself could well interpret what you say as less than genuine. Everything I say I mean. If you mean 2 posts out of however many good for you. I just think that a small place of smart honest not-fucking-around people is a nice thing, in a world of marketing and bullshit, and I'm obviously bothered by your style here. I'm still paranoid enough that your posture in your last post still seems feigned to me. As if you're not gonna come around again trying to be an ass, then later play all offended and "genuine." This is how I feel, I don't want to be more of an asshole than I am, but this is what I think. 
And 
obviously this argument isn't going to go anywhere, and I should just let go, so I will. I'm sure you're more reasonable than I'm giving you credit for. 
I'm Not At All Offended, Never Have Been. 
That post kinda clears up my confusion though. It does indeed seem you are somewhat paranoid. 
AKA 
FORMAL apology for whatever level of this conversation has been generated only by my paranoia. Not that I won't be pissy in the future.

your post about your last map release was bullshit and that was obvious. I cornered you on it, you changed the subject. I was totally overly harsh, and I'm calling it even now, but I hope you can at least understand where I'm coming from. I've tried to explain where I think you're coming from. 
Heh 
tone of that wasn't quite right. Sorry for real. Paranoid yes. 
First | Previous | Next | Last
You must be logged in to post in this thread.
Website copyright © 2002-2024 John Fitzgibbons. All posts are copyright their respective authors.