forget q3, the original source of that texture was from doom. :P

chalk me up a couple of nerd points too, i guess. :P 

... when I see Lara's beautifull but, it puts in my mind to buy this next game... BTW I played all the Lara's game since the first one... so.. who's the 'nerdest' here ? 

That's not nerdy, that's just sad. 

Lara's but is sad for gays.. not for me !! 

Everybody should have played the first Tomb Raider. Some people should have played the second. Noone should have played any of the sequels after that.
Legend is kinda cool tho I might have to [ . . . ] it.

And Re: the texture from Doom. Yes I know there was a texture like that in Doom, but id made an updated hi-res version for q3. I'm not saying that TRL has used a texture that looks like the q3 one, I'm saying it is the exact same bitmap. 

Everybody should have played the first Tomb Raider.

Really? I was under the, not unfounded, impression that TR1 was just a Q1 ripoff with tits.

Some people should have played the second.

Could you elaborate on your reasons for these two statements?

I'm not saying that TRL has used a texture that looks like the q3 one, I'm saying it is the exact same bitmap.

It is. Without a doubt. It's used in q3dm4 for the pulsating eggsacs that hang from the ceiling.
Isn't using it illegal, not to mention extremely sad of the TRL devs? I can't imagine they'd have bought the rights from id software for one texture o_O 

Really? I was under the, not unfounded, impression that TR1 was just a Q1 ripoff with tits.

How on earth could anyone have thought to compare it to Quake? The TR games are all about endless jumping puzzles and dragging boxes around to open up for more jumping puzzles. I love that. Hardly any shooting at all in the first game.

Could you elaborate on your reasons for these two statements?

The second one was okay in places but also started the crappy tendency in the later games to be less about raiding tombs and more about wearing a fancy dress to a nightclub while being hit upon by burly men before you kill everyone with a grenade launcher.

Isn't using it illegal, not to mention extremely sad of the TRL devs? I can't imagine they'd have bought the rights from id software for one texture

Yeah I guess what happened is they scrounged textures from everywhere just for the initial prototype and then went over and replaced the textures but forgot that one... Also this is just in the demo. They might have changed it in the final release.
Although it would be very funny, I doubt we will see a lawsuit because of one texture... 

The texture id Software used is actually an open source texture or a texture from a commercial texture pack and thus TRL dudes actually have rights to it. Something similar to how we keep hearing Doom doors opening in movies all the time. Maybe. 

and that tumbling skull block release sound from the end of doom 2... and the cyberdemon scream.

Didn't think the textures came from a library though - especially the more grotesque ones. I thought only id could come up with that sort of stuff. 

"and that tumbling skull block release sound from the end of doom 2..."

I always hear that sound! Thought I was paranoid until now! 

that one is definitely taken from some sample cd. I mean you even hear it in commerials... 

nt 

credit id for a sample from Doom in the Mellon Collie album notes. It's the rocket explosion sound and appears on the track XYU.

Amazing?

God, Billie Corgan is a twat. 

And what's up with the Ogre in Quake and the Pig Cop in Duke Nukem 3D making the same/similar sounds? 

most of the sounds that are in doom/quake are from a very popular sound sample CD. 

If you browsed through some of the older Emu or Fairlight soundbanks, you'd find a wealth of used sounds.

They were both early samplers that had a number of add on carts and discs, and still do, but my guess is that Bobby Prince probably had either an Emu or a Fairlight and that's why those sounds seem ubiquitous -- because that was pretty much the only game in town for people who didn't want to do foley recordings themselves back in the day. 

or even a number of people did updated sounds for quake - paks, used the original 44 khz 16 bit sounds from the libraries. The shaft for example sounds a bit different, it was fucked up a bit in the conversion in quake. (didn't q1test have better sound?) 

Several original doom .midi's are actually 'covers' of metal songs. There was a list at doom3world I read ages ago I've never been able to relocate, so if anyone knows where that can be found I'd be eternally grateful for several hours. 

5 new map reviews at my site.
2 reviews by myself and 3 from Tronyn.

reviews of:
Egyptian Rhapsody.
Teacups.
Hangover Devestation.
Event Horizon.
Forgotten Tomb.

great maps, everyone! 

i think everyone here knows the URL, but just in case:

http://www.planetquake.com/underworld/index.html 

Thanks for the review ! I'm glad you enjoyed the map ;) 

Thanks for the reviews. You rock!
Keep it going! 

I remember at least 2 of them were Alice In Chains songs. 

an mp3 named "bobby prince is a filthy thief" that explains a lot. :) 

Thanks for the reviews! Keep up the good work!