Thread hijacking isn't on.

Tronyn you rock, and this is one of the few times that metslime has commented on content. 

what? people aren't supposed to talk about quake 1 mapping/modding on func?

Right, that clears that up.

Supposedly hijacking threads / "internal dev talk" (omg):

Firstly, you found one example to justify the shitstorm. Congrats. You might find two or three from the last couple years if you look hard. Still pretty thin.

Secondly, off topic posts are the rule, not the exception at func_. But apparently, it matters who makes these off topic posts! CZG can go and post "anus" in any thread he wants to, and no one complains. Off topic posts (about making Quake maps/mods/tools) by ijed or me are suddenly to be condemned? Hmm.

Internal dev talk on this dev forum is held against us as being rude? ... I don't know, man. It happens that we're on the same mod team. There was lots of talk between Quoth devs, testers and mappers during the infamous "Base Pack" times. Remember that shitstorm? Apparently that was something else. I'm willing to bet that there was also a lot of talk between Nehahra devs on whatever forum back when that was made.

So it comes down to who does the talking, it seems. I see. Buddy system, huh.

What it also comes down to, at the end, is that a couple people do not want another few people to talk about what they do (which has to do with this forum's topic) in most of this forum.

That's good old fashioned bullying folks.

And because I'm somehow convinced that those people doing the bullying and mobbing (actively, passively, or in passing) won't change their opinion after one, two, or three more RMQ demos, and are simply not interested in making friends or anything, only in us "shutting up", I think this place is hopeless and trying to make this ridiculous thread look all mature now and acting as if everybody had a point, won't change that one bit.

Kick and scream all you want, I won't do what you tell me. Some of the people tossing shit in my direction I don't even know.

I'd rather be headstrong and making RMQ than bide my time posting "fat naked chicks" on IRC.

Ouch.

And that is really all I have to say about that, folks. I'll go deliver more shitty maps now, if you'll excuse me.

Postscriptum: I am always willing to respond to any sane and ontopic comments or requests, as I have done in the past. You're more likely to get my attention at my blog or via email/PM at quakeone.com though.

Yhe1, I see your point, and the grappling in e1m6rq was slightly over the top because it was a demo, and the grapple was one of the new features, and I wanted feedback on that. It'll be largely optional in the final release.

Others might have similarly valid points, but forgive me for only skimming the shitstorm. Please post any serious feedback in the RemakeQuake or the Demo2 thread, or contact me/ijed/Supa/mh or simply use the comment function at the blog. Thank you. 

Also pretty sure I didn't post "anus" anywhere?

This thread isn't about how you're not allowed to post here, it's about how shit RMQ is. Hope this helps! 

thanks for another "serious-yet-not-yet-fucking-with-people" post from the king of 1-decade-old curvy maps and annoying posts. I'd be insulting the French if I called you the Derrida of Quake mapping. You've got your own style, I'll give you that, and I understand the how and possibly part of the why too.

Enjoy your new computer. Glad you stopped by. 

 

Your contributions as a personality have always been so wonderful. 

If this project was not called RemakeQuake absolutely nobody would have an issue with it. 

Even though I respect the hell out of Spirit for doing what he does and am grateful to him for posting my reviews (though some of them aren't as good as they should be, I do believe in the "formal map review" format of Shambler to encourage mappers), I disagree with him on whether RMQ is a giant quake episode with modding, or instead a totally different thing which goes beyond quake episode/mod.

Anyway I have a hard time believing you're (CZG) ever 100% serious given your notoriety for being an asshole, and, obviously a title wouldn't change much. But whoever's on what side, and I don't even know who is on what side or why, I've always been offended by much of what GB identified above in his post. I surely am a paranoid mofo, but the spam spammed on all of us as some kind of inside joke by "established" mappers from 10 years ago, is or ought to be done. I'm not denying the possibility that I'm just bitter and paranoid, and I AM trying to be reasonable, insofar as a person with my psychology can be. But dude, I don't like what you bring to this discussion. It seems to me some pretentious fucking around. Not trying to seem less reasonable than I already often do seem, but that is simply an honest expression of the tone of your posts to me. I'm not demanding you go, I'm not even asking for you to modify your posting style, I'm just asking you to know - that I'll bitch. Bitch. 

Stop bullying czg, he is a wonderful person struggling to express himself.

ijed: You know pretty damn well that people presenting/talking about their work-in-progress here is a crucial subject. Don't try to shift the topic in such a ridiculous way.

gb: For the record, it seems you are/were the one kicking and screaming and thoroughly enjoying the side of the victim. 

I got a new review by Tronyn in the mail and it is totally awesome! I will post it at Quaddicted.com on the weekend! 

 

alright I need to calm down again. I apologize, with the belief that given how tiny, specialized, and well-intentioned (ahem) this community is, we can totally get along. 

well CZG you made your name - in this tiny place we call our community - with Insomnia. I never said otherwise, in fact I believe I specifically called you "the king of 1-decade-old curvy maps and annoying posts." Nowhere there was there any statement on when you released your last map,it could have been yesterday! In fact, it was slightly complementary in saying that your map of 10 years ago was KING.
anyway what you last said was simply wrong and incorrect. Get your facts straight, especially in a post called "Get your facts straight." come on now. 

as to make sense of the last two.
we're still getting along I'm just making my position clear. 

 

well whatever I might think of you if I let that influence my views of your maps I'd be a shitty reviewer. Though I shouldn't let this response end without another note that the post it responds to - lol - again contains the tone you seem incapable of abandoning. Don't take me for a purely bitter man, I see the humour. Ass. 

Which part? That if it changed its name noone would be angry about it?
Maybe I'm wrong, at least I wouldn't be angry about it. I could be free to ignore it like so much else. Might be that other people have other issues with it of course.

As it is now it sends a message to people who haven't played Quake, but might be interested in it, that 'hey, this is what Quake was supposed to be like!' And then they play it and they're all 'Quake sure has awful sounds, bad lighting, weird physics and monster insta-deaths!'

I can't ignore RMQ because the name says it's a Quake Remake, Quake done properly, and I don't think it is.
I wouldn't want anyone who are going to play Quake for the first time to have RMQ as their introduction. 

Gawrsh! It's almost as if you're some sort of emotional vampire! 

we sooooo understand each other, at least you can't bait me any further.

I actually thought you fucking with me was going to be forced to end but this last post is a stroke of genius. Thankfully I'm not quite dumb enough to fall for it, but I totally appreciate the humour in it, and recognize that I'd be a legitimately hilarious fool if I responded all pissed off to it!

I guess all I can say is, nicely played, sir. Make some maps. It'd be hard for you to make shitty maps, whatever our differences may be. Anus. 

I posted a post intended as being serious, then a post asking if it actually read as serious.
I'm not trolling you or anything, it almost seems as if it's the other way around... 

your last post is the most hilarious thing I've read on this forum. If you meant it in earnest I'm sorry. I am a bit paranoid. But lol, jesus lol, this last post of yours is so funny that it actually justifies all my frustration with you leading up to that point, that is how ironic and amusing and frankly hilarious I find it (and I mean that, I'm not fucking with you, I'm happy this whole exchange occured either way). Even if I'm only laughing at my own paranoia (and I've been as straightforward as I can possibly be in all my posts here), god, that's good.

It seems to me you've been deliberately changing the subject and playing the victim. If this is all a misinterpretation of mine, I'm sorry. And if you HONESTLY don't understand, well, either way the universe got a bit more awesome. Sorry to have offended you! 

Posts #82 and #92 are genuine. 

that's probably because it's no act.

I'm willing to accept the idea that those 2 posts are genuine, but you have to be able to accept the idea that, given your method of interaction here, people such as myself could well interpret what you say as less than genuine. Everything I say I mean. If you mean 2 posts out of however many good for you. I just think that a small place of smart honest not-fucking-around people is a nice thing, in a world of marketing and bullshit, and I'm obviously bothered by your style here. I'm still paranoid enough that your posture in your last post still seems feigned to me. As if you're not gonna come around again trying to be an ass, then later play all offended and "genuine." This is how I feel, I don't want to be more of an asshole than I am, but this is what I think. 

obviously this argument isn't going to go anywhere, and I should just let go, so I will. I'm sure you're more reasonable than I'm giving you credit for. 

That post kinda clears up my confusion though. It does indeed seem you are somewhat paranoid.