very nice designs, looks quite Scourge of Armagon-ish.

I'm going to have to make time to play all the new maps coming out. 

me too. the map jam looks great. I'm pumped. 

this is fully playable? or will I have to do things like noclip etc because its not gameplay complete. 

the game will just kinda stop... you'll run out of bad guys and places to go.

The map takes me about 10 minutes to zoom through on boss mode. You should get at least a decent 20+ minutes of gameplay. 

Sad its unfinished, here�s a demo made with QS.
No problems from this side.
Very inspiring in places, very plain in others.
I know the amounts of time one can put into mapping and modding can�t be justified by healthy minds.. 

Going to play this eagerly.

I then proceeded to tumble down the rabbit hole. 5 hours turned to 20 hours, 20 to 50, 50 to 100, 100 to 200, 200 to 300.

Don't worry, that's common for the first maps. My first map, that made in 1997, took me many months. If i were to make it today, with a few hours i would have enough.

If you find mapping too much time consuming, i recommend you to try with speedmaps sessions. They are funnier to map and even if you go overboard with it, you won't spend too much time.

Plus, I like to compile the map and check it out every 10 brushes.

That's probably the biggest time consuming thing you did. And the one that makes you more bored with mapping, at least for me. Check it out no more than once per 4-5 hours and you will do it way better.

For learning how things work i recommend you to do a test map with squarish rooms with one test per room, linked by teleporters, so the test in one room won't interfere with the ones at the others. Compiles faster and you'll focus on those tests. 

Try a bit of speedmapping, it may help you build up speed in making maps. Try different techniques, like blocking out gameplay (a lot of mappers do this) and then make prefab shapes to work with.

I'm sure you released an early form of this map before that I had played, or maybe I beta-tested it a long time ago. I will have another look. 

How to release a map nitpicking:

Lowercase ALL files and directories.

Best usability is to name everything the same, directory, bsp but that's not that important.

You could have just copy'n'pasted the text you wrote on func into the readme, then the zip would be self contained.

From what I read here the map has no exit trigger? That's a huge shame and something that should definitely be mentioned in the readme. Coultn't you just add some random ugly teleporter somewhere?

Time to play! 

[02]WARNING: Couldn't load sound/equake/rumble.wav

Demos: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/kpcn-normal-SpiritQuaddict.dz (protocol 10002)

OVerall a mixed bag for me. Fantastic setting and brushwork, great doors. Jump scares got old quickly, might have been more effective with 1/3 of monsters. Low ammo/health at the beginning was annoying. Some "dreams" were nice, others didn't work (weird girl in the closet?). 

Demo in nightmare. Missed one monster, i suppose an ambush in a corner i haven't visited.

Demo

Agree mostly with what Spirit said:
- It is a mix of different styles and rooms so it lacks a lot of coherence, even in the base parts. It is a map done for the fun and to learn, so i suppose thats why it is like that.

- Brushwork is a mix of 199x's style and more recent one. There is lots of nice things to look at and I loved particularly the start part, the corridor where the GK room is (that upper part that goes to the infinite), the parts where the huge cylinders are and many more. It loses quite a bit in the zones where there is no monsters, because you have time to look at every corner and detail.

- The layout of each part is good, and gives lots of options for good combats and secrets.
The ambushes where plenty fun and were way better thanks to the ambient of the map. They gave me plenty of ideas, as i am trying to replicate for Quake the combat in the Lisbeth part of Undying in some maps i have been mapping along this year. They lose a bit with time, but OK.
They would be better with less monsters, but i do think that half or one third of what you put is enough of a cut, not necessary to take out two thirds out.
The weird shambler encounters, i couldn't understand them, but where cool for a jump scare.

- Cool addition of sounds, well placed and chosen.

- Low health was a big issue at first, mainly because the player isn't used to the type of gameplay the map provides.

- That girl ... putting it plainly, surprised me. 

shame you didn't finish the map. I'll play it for you. 

I get these errors: ! C:\Users\Justin\Desktop\kpcn2014.zip: Unknown method in kpcn2014\PAK0.pak
! C:\Users\Justin\Desktop\kpcn2014.zip: No files to extract 

I can't get the PAK to extract properly.

Same for the contents of src.zip, so there goes me compiling it on my own ;~) 

Works perfectly fine here, using 7-zip and QuakeForge's pak utility.

md5sums:
8c5553ff48c64dc1bce8f6cf01f59d3c kpcn2014.zip
0a751cdc4e1b7479feca0a78e9b2f57b PAK0.pak


I noticed that apparently I had an older release in the "kpcn" directory and when I blindly copied the line from the readme, well, you know. So my demos above are for an old release... Sorry (that's what stupid people do when the packaging invites silly mistakes)! :( 

Using 7-Zip, I had no problems. However, after seeing people have problems here, I tried the built in Windows 7 unzip and it couldn't extract the pak file claiming an "unspecified error". I didn't try the src folder. 

I really didn't expect to see demos. Very, very insightful. Some people play not at all how I anticipated.

One thing that's painfully obvious when seeing this is that the level was made for the level designer/artist, not the the player.

I used 7zip to pack. WinZip, for example is probably having issues with the LZMA algorithm. Sorry 'bout that, 7zip will work.

I've got more to comment on, but I have a day of errands ahead of me, I'll get back later.

One thing I will say: Take it slow, as tedious as it surely will be. The map is very scripted, which as a player I dislike. But damn, as a mapper? I think it's neat. 

The scripting is great, just a bit too much for me. Spread out over a whole episode, the same amount would work fantastically (HINTHINTHINT!). 

I'm not sure how to view your demos?

I can open it them with Dzip, but I'm not sure I should be doing that...

What engine did you use? 

Sorry, I used reQuiem which detected the map to break protocol 15 and chose to use protocol 10002.

Here is a beta http://chunk.io/f/d0bf59d08b5c4d8692ad30df8b7e9bb6 , might require zlib1.dll from here: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/downlinks/zlib-bin-zip.php (if so, please tell me). You can launch the demos straight from the dz with the demo browser then: Singleplayer -> Demos -> type "kpcn" to find them. Enter to play, cursor keys for controls.


Alternatively you can use bjp/aguirre's glquake. 

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A bunch of dark corridors with a lot of detail, and hardly any vertical gameplay. Everyone who complained about Ruined Nation being too much like Doom 3 should play this and reevaluate.

Some rooms looked awesome, with interesting texture choices, a LOT of meticulous detail, and moody lighting. But I've known that ever since I saw the first screenshots over a year ago, and I was looking forward to PLAYING the map. And it turns out it's a flat, non-intersecting layout with barely any sense of progression? C'mon son!

The "nightmare" schtick was pretty cool at first, but eventually became overused and annoying. If one doorway in the map ends up collapsing into darkness, it's okay. If this happens nearly every time... I just end up expecting something to happen at every turn and there's no surprise at all. (Mental note to self: seriously rethink the plans for the E4 tribute...) And seriously... that one thing you did was over the line. You know which one.

I'm sorry if I sounded harsh but that's just what I thought. Better luck next time and please don't put 300 hours in it.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/demos/otp_kpcn.zip 

"Play this in the dark"
The lighting is too dark for me. I my opinion all that detail gets lost. I relight with tyrutils -range .7 -dist .6 -extra4. The global relight made some parts over bright. Screen shot of before and after.

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/cartnight1.jpg

Hallway
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/cartnight2.jpg

You could get an entire map out of just that texture set. Looks awesome. What wad file is it?

"I think this map has about 300 hours of my life in it." That's Quake mapping for you. It's not really the map, it's 300 hours of learning. The thing with Quake is it's deceptive nature. It can bury you with possibilities.

Cartographer's Nightmare while not a complete and coherent map in itself is full a great pieces. Good prefab material, good reference for future maps. 

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/bad_girl.jpg

For those scary maps 

What a ride! I've never been so on the edge of my seat, just anticipating what sort of trap was going to happen next. The lighting and design was very dark and claustrophobic, which really added to the tense situation.

Obviously I would get tired quickly of a map pack that had trap after trap, but in this case it was a refreshing change of pace, and I really enjoyed it, despite the map itself not being finished.

First run in hard mode demo, recorded in enhanced glquake, protocol 10000:
http://qrf.servequake.com/~orl/misc/orl_kpcn.rar

Fantastic job KillPixel :)