#8296 posted by necros on 2012/03/21 22:32:14
in standard Quake, it is 32768, but the true maximum you can have is 65536 (this is the one i was referring to). after that, you must change the bsp format itself.
Da Library Bling Version
#8297 posted by sock on 2012/03/22 01:36:48
Dat Library
#8298 posted by - on 2012/03/22 03:20:29
<3 you forever simon
Awesome As Usual
#8299 posted by negke on 2012/03/22 10:31:24
Mapping challenge: combine all the scenes in one map and make it work. ;)
Quake And VIS
#8300 posted by negke on 2012/03/22 10:49:50
Willem is right insofar as, indeed, Quake tech isn't designed for large open areas with lots of detail. Not only can the compile time grow exponentially, there's also the chance the map will not run as smoothly on some machines - from what I understand, the engine is not optimized to render so much at once so it can it will choke in situations of excessive polycount and run poorly on machines that can run more modern games just fine. Case in point: this happened to me when playing the unvised versions of Arcanum on a P4. So the claim that nowadays VIS is irrelevant is wrong. DirectQ (and RMQ) apparently use improved rendering techniques that allow for more excess than standard Quake does.
Of course, it doesn't mean people should refrain from making large areas if they think the map benefits from them. Many of the excellent maps in the past were pretty large and open, and it worked. People who tend or like to go large aren't mapping for the wrong game, of course - they just have to be aware that it comes at the cost of (sometimes greatly) increased VIS time.
Kinn: I don't think there's a new concensus. Couple years back people would say 800-1000, at least in non- or low-action areas. Today I'd say 1500-2000 maybe, even though many maps surpass this by far. Real skill shows where maps look great and detailed (and not overly constrained) but still keep r_speeds within a relatively low margin.
#8301 posted by JneeraZ on 2012/03/22 12:35:00
Case in point: this happened to me when playing the unvised versions of Arcanum on a P4. So the claim that nowadays VIS is irrelevant is wrong.
But I would wager that it's for the wrong reasons. If an engine is parsing the VIS data lumps and using those to determine what to draw and blah blah, rather than just throwing every poly in the BSP into texture sorted buckets at the card - it's probably going to run slower than it optimally could.
A map should be sealed, no question, so the extra cruft outside gets removed but I still question the need for the VIS structures on modern machines.
Kinn
Is there any consensus on what wpoly count is acceptable these days?
If I can get hold of a Raspberry Pi, I'll try using that as my low end test system. If it runs well on that, ship it!
A P4 Is Ten Years Old
#8303 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/03/22 20:17:04
Not even slightly new.
#8304 posted by - on 2012/03/27 19:27:01
http://i.imgur.com/hqKgB.jpg
~ 1 more major area to build
#8305 posted by sock on 2012/03/27 23:05:59
@Scampie, it is looking good, I love the attention to detail. I just wish the rivet shadow on the pipes was the right way and the metal seam was on the poly edge (pipe in foreground) not in the middle.
#8306 posted by - on 2012/03/27 23:33:10
you're trying to kill me, aren't you sock. :o
Looking Nice
#8307 posted by RaverX on 2012/03/28 00:00:06
Scampie: it's looking good, but the theme *seems* wrong. Industrial or metal would be much better, those base textures and pipes don't fit together.
Scampie:
#8308 posted by metlslime on 2012/03/28 00:15:41
looks great, i wish 90% of the surfaces weren't covered in the same brown color though. (i realize this is idbase.) Maybe the pipes were textured with a contrasting color (like the quake2 red pipe texture, or maybe a darker grey metal color) it would pop more.
#8309 posted by sock on 2012/03/28 00:51:07
Agree with metlslime, you do have too much of the same colour. Maybe try the white that's goes with that set? Plus you don't have to bother with the texture stuff I mentioned, it is only me that gets bothered by that stuff.
#8310 posted by - on 2012/03/28 02:46:00
I will try and reduce the brown... not on the pipes though, I was finally happy with that texture after searching and trying a million other textures!
Scampie
#8311 posted by RickyT33 on 2012/03/28 03:14:57
I think it looks beautiful.
#8312 posted by - on 2012/03/28 04:30:52
http://i.imgur.com/1zc3o.jpg
more white, blue floor, trimmed pipe bends
#8313 posted by negke on 2012/03/28 09:27:26
I like the pipes in the first shot better.
I Like Scampie's Pipes Too!
#8314 posted by Shambler on 2012/03/28 09:35:00
Looking great prawnboy.
#8315 posted by quakis on 2012/03/28 11:34:33
Personally, I though the pipes in the first screenshot were MUCH better. Infact, I prefered the first screenshot more. Sure there's a lot of brown, but it actually looked really nice and had a better 'feel' to the room. Kinda warm and I wanted to be there. Current shot loses that. Too much contrast perhaps and now it feels very cold. Texturing also feels 'tacked on' this time.
I think the texturing on the first pipe was spot on, the seam down the middle works. I love idbase, but I love them even more when the texturing is done well like you originally had it.
Personally, I would stick with the previous version but try to ensure that there's some other kind of style variety/contrast in other types of sections (ex. cold and wet lower work areas with more contrast, maybe using the style from the current screen?)
Pity The Poor Builder...
#8316 posted by Mike Woodham on 2012/03/28 13:55:20
...who has to cut the angles on those tiny bits of floor tile where they meet the edge-trim ;)
Sod 'em, I hear they're paid by the hour.
You're Right...
#8318 posted by Mike Woodham on 2012/03/28 17:25:49
...so make sure it's not your money.
"Straight bits, guv, I can do pdq, but those nasty angly bits, well... special tools, two man job, sharp-pointy-bits, health'n'safety; all adds to the time, and you know what time means, guv'nor..."
Looks Cool Scampie
#8319 posted by than on 2012/03/28 17:40:05
those pipes look nice, though I agree with Quakis on the first shot looking somewhat nicer. I think I'd reduce the texture detail on the pipes and revert the floor back to the old one. The other changes look good though.
Started Making Another Map (DAMN IT!)
#8320 posted by than on 2012/03/28 17:43:07
last night I wanted to work on something to take my mind of apsp3, which is a bit stuck at the moment, so I started making an sp remix of Romero's(??) dm7.
http://i.imgur.com/J5nnc.jpg
Looks shit at the moment, but I wanted to avoid the dm4 style textures and try something more similar to e1m5. Very very very rough atm :)
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