why is it that sometimes, when shooting projectile weapons at a shambler, they go through it? this includes on rockets and grenades (and the stake gun i'm working on) but not nails and supernails (that i noticed)
it doesn't happen all the time, maybe about 1/4 of the time

why do scrags sometimes have the ability to noclip through walls? where there are a few bunched up together, they sometimes go right through the bsp and into the void beyond, only to reemerge back into viable space later (doom's lostsouls sometimes had the ability in doom2 (with the help of a pain elemental) to noclip through walls as well) 

features. this is their demon alien magik at work. 

i _know_ that. ;)

actually, i was more interested in the technical reasons for this, so i guess my questions were really directed at engine coders. 

Well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it. 

But then, i don't shoot a lot of rockets at shamblers.

Are you sure you didn't make some subtle but important qc change which introduced that bug? Or is this something you experience with the standard progs.dat? 

It's not that I don't care about the X800/6800. It's just I already know about them.

Not that I'm stupid enough to buy the first models of a new gen of cards anyway. 

things about noclipping scrags and shamblers that appear to have a large hole between their legs, suitable for rockets to pass through ...

But as metl says, it's usually easier to take them down with other guns, e.g. Perforator or DBS. 

I've noticed that the polyps pass into walkways and pillars in the polyptest map, though I thought that was something to do with refinements needed for the invisibility behaviour.
Scrags do odd things sometimes too, but I've never seen 'em pass right through solid architecture, usually just into stuff. 

I've noticed the scrag/shambler problems before, even back when I was running standard quake.exe with no mods (back in the day!) these things still happened, rockets passing through the shambler is especially common.

No idea why it happens though, doesn't happen on any other enemies. 

Not that I'm stupid enough to buy the first models of a new gen of cards anyway.

You're just stupid enough to make fun out of people who are interested because they are so below you.

Intelligent and thought provoking, keep it up. 

In RPGSP1, after you grab the gold key, on your way back to the start area there are some scrags that spawned in. If you hang back after they see you, they like to clip out into the void. One time that happened and it followed me around all the way to the exit, but never clipped back into the playable space. I always thought it had something to do with the funky rock architecture at that spot, but I've since noticed it in a few other maps. 

I've never encountered either bug - but then I use DarkPlaces. Scrags are the only monsters that have the FL_FLY flag set. The combination of that and MOVETYPE_STEP might do it.

And now, the question you've all been waiting for...

Tried it with a different engine? 

i've seen the grenades through shamblers bug in:
glquake
winquake
fitzquake
tomazquake
tenebrae/industri

haven't tried it in darkplaces though... maybe by using the quakeworld code (that's what darkplaces is based off of, right?) the problem was fixed... 

Seems to be fairly common at least in large maps. 

Seems to be fairly common at least in large maps

not only in large maps, I noticed that once even in my small sm57se map 

do that too. In gmsp3 if you provoke but don't kill the fish in the moat near the beginning sometimes they'll appear popping in & out of pillars later on inside the castle on the same horizontal level. 

Swim, swim, hungry! ...Stupid fish. 

:o

...and those damn stupid fish... 

It's not that I don't care about the X800/6800. It's just I already know about them. 

I got a few return to senders when I attempted to e-mail you this week. The address is still valid, nyet? 

But keep an eye out: I intend putting up an an Absolutely The Last Beta tonight. 

<nt> 

since i got broadband, my old host deleted my webspace/account, so i put up a minimal temporary page at http://userpages.umbc.edu/~roneil2 for my few maps and things. 

I tried to email fatty@planetquake.com too about beta testing, it didn't bounce but I didn't get a reply either!

Maybe you're having email issues... or maybe you just don't like me.. *sob* 

I can't log into FTP either. Times out.