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Haha, nice demos jcr. Man, you really broke the level :) One trigger didn't work, and it would have helped avoiding the backtrack. Things to look out for in levels to come! Thanks a lot, was a blast :)
Fun aesthetic for these maps, would enjoy seeing some more! I played through on skill 2, didn't record demos since I tried recording a video, but my microphone's too garbage for me to upload that either. So, notes instead:
JCR: the platforming was fun, if a little punishing at times. I think the punishment for failing to platform could be falling into a pit with some fiends or such, instead of insta death to spikes. Also, I'm not sure if I broke the map, but I got stuck at the end where it seemed that I needed to have the elevator up for the exit door to be open, but once I rode the elevator down there was no way to return. I had to noclip around to figure out how it worked. Artistical: The architecture and the sharp-angled sunlight was nice, although the sightlines toward the end felt a bit too much. I have been to Mayan ruins at Tikal, and it's all a bit more dense than the exterior spaces here. Also, I got stuck bad in the "return to the blood" section. Having that one drop down spot that isn't marked clearly had me running up and down the previous blood corridor looking for some hidden switch. I also couldn't figure out how to trigger the final fight. There were also a few sections that required me to kill all of the zombies, and I barely had enough grenades to be able to proceed. Shambler: Solid gameplay, and some good use of varied backtracking! The lighting felt a bit dark though, and there was one dark corner that I only discovered was the crit path by ruling out other options. Breezeep: I really dug this map, good secrets, good and subtle usage of the textures to help each area feel distinct. I struggled a bit in the water section, swam a couple laps around before I found the way out. I think if I hadn't been worried about all of the zombies throwing at me and had been able to explore at a more leisurely pace, that wouldn't have been a problem. I also liked the elevator with the broken track, a good surprise! Yes, though I don't have a specific pack in mind. More a general tendency that some of the maps are bigger/more ambitious than they should have been as speedmaps. The reason why the "jam" concept was brought up, although that got redefined pretty quickly too.
This is not meant as a criticsm of ww or anyone in particular. Just to stay true to expectations when it comes to map descriptions. Not sure if "turtlemaps" don't gel well nowadays? Why not draft up some "official" definitions and have a vote on and adopt them? One the definitions are completed guidelines are posted.
Speepmapping means from 1-48 hours. Jam means anything over 48 hours Turtle maps are anything over X days/weeks. There have been 5 day jams and (many) 7 day speedmaps, just as there have been 6 week jams and 100 minute speedmaps.
I'm leaning towards "speedmaps" being a description of overall quality rather than actual speed. Sort of like a divide between fast food and a normal meal. Small maps without a lot of focus and effort spent. EXAMPLE: negke's entry to this very session vs. his egypt map. i'm still learning the difference between speedmaps amd jams, but i thought that speedmaps were just loose maps and jams were like mission-packs, with a start.bsp acting like a hub linking all the maps... i guess i was wrong :P
Both are for giving mappers deadlines to spur them on to actually finishing something.
Jams are for players who enjoy a particular theme and want to play more of it. Speedmaps are for players who want to grab a quick bite before heading out. More of those maps please!
Amazing what people can do in just 1 week. Liking the Mayan theme a lot. Are there more maps of that type? Played this instead of lighting off fireworks and sleeping in late. Here's some skill 2 demos.
Artistical: Shame the rising blood pool didn't quite work out as expected. Slaughter arena area was easier than expected, and had a couple surprisingly fun bits like grabbing a Pent and being free to grenade jump with quad damage off the enemies all over the place. As Mclogenog mentioned the 'return to blood' part was iffy. Missed the secret, may have missed kills but may just be the Rotfish bug. Breezeep: Green! Thought I went backwards at the start and did things in the wrong order, and literally fell backwards into the only secret I found. Underwater area is claustrophobic as hell with all the zombies and no Biosuit and constantly hoping to find an air bubble and not finding one until the other side. Side note: thank you for including water alpha in the map's worldspawn, way too often do maps feel like they're supposed to have transparent water surfaces but the author just assumes the player always has it set as <1 anyway. JCR: Really nailed the Mayan theme and the distinctly un-Quakey music helped. Lots more Zombies to gib with a gloriously overpowered weapon/powerup combo, getting the LG so early and with so many cells looks like an offering from above but doesn't feel out of place. Not sure what the usage for the second quad is supposed to be. Platforming is annoying as hell going downwards but much easier going up. Negke: what. Also I may or may not have broken this map in various spots due to climbing up the walls instead of going through the halls like I was supposed to. And one of the silver key doors didn't work. Breezeep's map is my favorite in this pack. Great atmospheric map. Doesn't feel "jam" at all.
Two blind playthroughs:
Negke's map: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYN5HY93DM4 Really good and atmospheric, but too dark in some places :/ JCR's map: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBENGizzI2E Amazing architecture and cool "classic tomb raider" feeling. When i opened the zombies' open area i thought that i somehow missed the grenade launcher, so i spent a pretty good time backtracking searching for it and thinking in restart the map XD but when i found it later and went back to kill the rest of the zombies. My only complain is the lack of vores in this map. It would be awesome if at least two or three of them were in that huge open area, on top of some pillar shooting purple balls at the player =D There's so much cover in that area that would be perfect to avoid some vores' balls =D https://www.twitch.tv/videos/281600216 38:45 onwards, just did negke and jcr, both good in their own way, JCR a bit crude but some fun set-ups and funny combat, negke nice refined style although I found the textures a little bit wearing. Got artistical and breezeep to do later.
I'm still surprised that Breezeep managed to make that map in the allotted time. It has some really excellent brushwork and great vertical game play.
The bottom line about Artistical's map was that it was really fun, from the multiple ogre assault on the stairs to the final showdown. It was cool that he included a piece of Mayan culture as part of the main progression and apparently there was some legitimate Mayan architecture in there. The final fight was unique in that I have not yet played a map with something similar, but it did remind me of Serious Sam with the Mayan theme, the huge arena, and an enormous horde of monsters. jcr's map is his best work yet. I enjoyed Mire Prison but he has improved considerably since then. I liked the atmosphere of the map with the fitting music and the large, open areas with the spikes below. The little bit of platforming at the beginning was good. The lightning gun massacre section was also a lot of fun. Even with the lightning gun, I never really felt too overpowered. There were still some tricky encounters like the knight and scrag assault on the narrow bridge. negke's was the only true speedmap here I guess and it was good for what it was. Personally I'm glad that there was an extension because it meant that the maps ended up being really polished. Here is my playthrough of Breezeep's map =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpzpxcWz4dQ Pure awesomeness! The amount of detail in this map is absurd! I loved it! But the searching for zombies in the underwater part is just cruel! XD And now... about the Artistical's map... i already played once, but i couldn't kill all the enemies (i finished the level missing 8 monsters), and i hate to leave breathing things behind XD I searched the map for the secret and found a button in that little temple near to the fishes, but it seems i need another button to trigger the secret and i can't find it :P I also nocliped around the map and i found 8 scrags waiting for a teleport... :/ Where is the other button? Anyone knows? It will trigger the last scrags? I need to know! I think that the button is glitched. I never found a second one either but I was able to hit it twice in order to unlock the secret. I tested in 3 different source ports in order to verify that it wasn't a bug in the port that I had initially used. I just hit the button on the side of the temple, waited a few seconds, then hit it again when it popped back out and it counted twice.
Also what settings are you using in your video? The map looked much more vibrant than when I played. I'm guessing that you upped the contrast? Artistical and Breezeepical. Art's was quite neat but I couldn;';t get the final arena to work. Breezeep's blatantly wasn't a speedmap but it was very nice and stylish.
Another top semi-speed pack ;) Oh, yeah... you're right. Thanks =D
But it only reveals a red armor, the 8 scrags doesn't show up... i don't know how to make them appear :/ About the settings... i searched the values in my config and it is: contrast "1.3" and gamma "0.85" I hope this helps Originally it used to be just 100 minutes, then a couple hours, then a few days over a weekend, then a week, then maybe 24 hours (this happened twice, and both only last year), then a week again.
In my opinion, speedmapping means "make a speedmap" i.e. a distinctly short and not-top-quality map, and not "make a map in X amount of time". Here is my playthrough of "I, Xolotl" by Artistical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERDsZjGVz70 Sorry for taking so long to post this, but i played this map so many times trying to find how to trigger the last 8 scrags (no success)... but, at least, i found the second button to reveal the secret red armor =D (you can see it at 15:00) Thank you, Artistical, for this awesome map =D then maybe 24 hours (this happened twice, and both only last year)
not "make a map in X amount of time". perhaps these two thoughts combined is why those "events" were referred to as "24 hr jams" and not speedmapping jams? :qthink:
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