Do you remember if you used an explicit size with the -cache command-line argument?

IIRC I've only used the parameters recommended in the readme file. I may look into it after going back home. 

There's absolutely no way that any Q1 map should be thrashing the HD under normal play - everything is in memory.

If the quake cache is too small, quake will keep unloading models to make room for new models. A bigger heapsize solves this I think. (in engines with standard quake caching/memory logic.) 

Yeah, the caching system is really the only thing, other than some kind of hardware failure, that could cause this.

It's worth observing that if one is using a replacement/"improved" MDL pack, they're going to consume more cache space and therefore have a higher likelihood of triggering this kind of behaviour. 

This seems to have gotten lost in the noise.

From the description it seems that MarkV doesn't have the robust SV_TouchLinks fix. Some discussion: http://forums.insideqc.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1431 

Just had a look at the MarkV SV_TouchLinks fix. It's, umm... unusual...

My recollection is that QSS has a sensible fix that's absolutely trivial to lift over to any engine, so that should be the way to go. 

An interesting observation about MDL caching.

It's possible for 2 or more MDL files to only differ in terms of the skins they use; otherwise they have identical geometry (vertices, frames, triangles, stverts).

You'd think this would be a theoretical possibility at best, but it actually happens in ID1: progs/spike.mdl and progs/s_spike.mdl are identical aside from skins.

Load up ad_sepulcher and there are about 30 MDLs where this happens.

So to save memory with MDL caching, and also potentially save memory with VBOs if you use them, this is something you could check for, without being too disruptive to the rest of your code. 

I don't know if the SV_TouchLinks thing is similar to the old engine-crashing teleporters without proper destinations bug, but a QuakeC fix is mentioned here: https://www.quake-info-pool.net/q1/qcwa.htm#trigger_teleport 

I don't think that is related to SV_TouchLinks.

Here is Quakespasm's SV_TouchLinks fix which I adapted from Spike's in QSS:
https://github.com/ericwa/Quakespasm/blob/master/quakespasm/Quake/world.c#L325 

Is there a particular reason why Mark V (1081) wouldn't copy over screen resolution settings from id1 folder when running mods from custom dirs? 

 

I am used to Mark V taking all settings from config.cfg located in the id1 folder... 

Here's my QuakeSpasm parameters for AD. They're from the readme:
-game ad_v1_50final -heapsize 256000 -zone 4096

The ad_sepulcher readme says to use these:
-game ad +map ad_chapters

I'm not sure if something else could be causing system overload. Maybe the Intel HD Graphics 3000 drivers emulating stuff in software? 

I've implemented a SV_TouchLinks "fix" in my code, and it broke the end-of-level teleporter in the map Citadel of Doom. That map is good for testing. 

Spike's more robust SV_TouchLinks fix works fine in that map.

The Intel HD 3000 should not be emulating anything in software; it's right at the start of the "Intel graphics are no longer crap" era and IIRC will even run Doom 3. 

I thought this was no longer needed... 

mh: Yeah, I've played Doom 3, Quake 4 and the 2013 Shadow Warrior in it. 

Aw hell!

So many posts to read.

I had super-Android obsessive tunnel-vision "I will beat this platform into the ground and make it do my bidding" madness.

I figured there were be 5 new posts here, instead there are maybe 35-45 haha!

I will read them. But a bit too much too digest right now -- I see something about a TouchLinks thing, I have some sort of TouchLinks fix in Mark V from some other respected source but apparently not good enough for the issue in question. 

Do QuakeDroid bugs belong here or in the QuakeDroid thread. Enjoying QuakeDroid a lot btw. 

Yeah, QuakeDroid is a different kind of animal.

So all QuakeDroid talk should be in the QuakeDroid thread.

I'm glad you are enjoying QuakeDroid. 

@Spike - thanks for helping Cadaver with his multiplayer.

@cadaver - Glad you got it working. Mark V uses Spike's single port server so just port 26000. 

Touchlinks - I can't recall where/how I got the touchlinks fix. And if I recall, when I was acquiring Spike's QSS single port server/IPv6/server browser capabilities, his was slightly different. Mark V has "co-op players can walk through each other on respawn and the ability to save multiplayer games AND reload them with the wrong number of players.

So if the code their looks usual, lots of action going on. 

@nightfright - here in a couple of days, I'll see if I dig into the Chillo model pack thing.

@nightfright2 - I am used to Mark V taking all settings from config.cfg located in the id1 folder...

Mark V loads AND saves the settings to the Quake startup gamedir. If you start up Mark V in id1, it will use id1. If you start up in "-game rapture" it will use rapture.

So it sounds like you played, say, rapture and then changed the video mode, which causes the video mode to write to, say, rapture --- then you started id1, the video mode from id1 was the old one.

@mankrip - Ok, you are talking about a Quakespasm issue. I assume. 

Wondering if you could add support for light entities in the entity inspector mode? Just curious. Not a huge priority. 

Sure, I can put that on the medium-term wish list. I think (?).

I haven't thought about lights in a long time.

I'm not immediately sure if they stick around or just ones that can be toggled/flicker like the E1M1 nail gun up the lift that is dark until you trigger it.

Do you have something that prompted this thought that perhaps you were trying to do while mapping? 

I was recording a basic lighting tutorial and wanted to show viewers what the diff light values and whatever other info was displayed. However no lights for me at all. I was using 1.50 and I do need to upgrade my video capture directory to the latest version.

Honestly, I'd hate for you to add it just for me but I think the functionality is very cool overall and was curious about why lights weren't included. I didn;t try to examine switchable lights. Will try that.