I got bored of Torchlight for the level design... playing their previous incarnation of the Diablo clone style, Fate, didn't help either. 

But looks much better than the original. No point in buying 2 point and click adventure games at the same time ;) 

Let us know - I'm actually more inclined to buy TL2 than D3. Torchlight was kind of a let down after fate, but showed a mountain of potential.. 

The whole 'Got to be online' to play a game is stupid, my laptop is not always connected to the internet. I will pass and get TL2, at least it can be played when I want. Plus I really enjoyed TL, it had cute graphics and was fun to play. I even tried out the editor! 

Isn't a bother for me, but I'm used to Steam, so maybe its more flexible than whatever battle.net is up to. 

yer battletags, dudes! let's smash hellish hordes together! :) 

I'll be playing it, and if it sucks, that's ok cause I just got into Torchlight 2 beta! :D 

but knowing me, probably in 10 years time. 

I'm not not gonna play it because I'm too cool for school or whatever, but because I don't think I'll manage to find time for it with all the other things I'd also like to get done in my spare time.
It's probably a great game.
Though to be honest the apparent emphasis on multiplayer isn't really something I'm enthusiastic about. 

But I've never really gotten into the Diablo and WoW kind of games and I think it might be because they seem to be too much of a designer drug just catering to trigger our biological reward systems... 

I wasn't addicted to Guild Wars and Skyrim, no not at all. 

Going to steam some d2 tonight. 

catering to trigger our biological reward systems

Games are though, almost by definition. The more refined and monetized games get the more apparent this will become. 

But unlike many other games there aren't much elevating these point-click-level-up-find loot above slot machines (possible exaggeration).

I guess what I'm saying is I find the game play really dull. 

Fair enough.

I missed Diablo 2 when it came out and then saw it and TL later, to get pretty much the same impression.

The clickfest thing seems kind of like a light gun game. Fun for a bit, but not something that'll hold my attention for long. Even with the loot backend to try and make it interesting.

Ah well, there's always Quake. 

The different between Diablo/WoW and something like Farmville is that Blizzard actually like the game they're making. They want to make a big game full of stuff, fighting dragons in cooperative groups, getting cool loot etc etc. If that doesn't appeal to you then fair enough.

But no one at Zynga could seriously say with a straight face that Farmville is a 'good' game. It's a mathematical equation refined over thousands of man ours of market research. 

PS I do fucking hate the random loot shit in WoW, but I enjoyed it's cooperative aspects to get over it (mostly) 

so, can I play with my friends if I just use the starter edition? 

http://kotaku.com/5910480/last-nights-diablo-iii-debacle-demonstrates-the-problem-with-always+online-games

I know I seem to be the only one here that won't play a single player game that requires constant online internet connection, but this article did make me smile. Looking forward to TL2 even more! :P 

Bear in mind that without the always online structure all those people would have been fiddling around installing ten discs (or whatever) and tapping in codes.

Being able to buy a game before its released is going to make people more inclined to piss and moan.

What games nowadays don't have technical issues at launch? If there's a 'call to arms' by the players then the publisher isn't going to care, because the people playing have already paid.

That Blizzard got it working so quickly gives them kudos.

This is an industry where a platoform can have massive security leaks of critical credit card data and not be outright ruined by it.

Game server being down for the first day doesn't even come close to an important, or even unexpected, event. 

I liken it to snow removal equipment around here. It snows badly maybe once every 2 years. The city basically shuts down for a day. But they never invest in better snow removal equipment because it's not worth the cost for a once every year or 2 event.

Same with launches. This will all blow over by next week and everyone will be happily playing Diablo without a care in the world. It's not worth buying more servers or whatever JUST to handle the launch. People bitch and moan, and then they don't. :) 

@ijed,willem I think you are missing the point I was trying to make, anyone who wants to play a SINGLE PLAYER game of D3 needs blizzard servers to play, this is not a product that can be played whenever you the player wants. This game works only if blizzard servers are working. I hope that this method does not become the standard way to let players interact with games. 

For Steam, but I've heard lots of people have trouble with it.

Sad to say, but always online is now the standard way for players to interact with games...

Not the way all games work, but even so. 

offline mode is awesome for me, it works really well on my laptop. I can download updates and play games I bought when I want. Luckily TL was on steam and fingers crossed TL2 will be the same. 

Pff, fuck Blizzard. You cannot even Coop with the person who gave you a starter edition guest pass. You can only play with other starter edition players. It is the same content like the open beta. </caring>