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the hack where you get a free quad after killing the death lords is actually abusing the built in quake 'unstuck' feature. when you go through a teleporter (or turn on noclip), the game saves the origin you were at so that, if your new origin is invalid (ie: stuck in a wall), it can pop you back into place. so all i do there is teleport the player into the floor. he picks up the quad, but gets 'unstuck' and put back where he was. the only thing is that it doesn't remember your orientation, which is why your view changes, which is unavoidable. there's also a transparent trick involved with the shooters. when the death lords die, the shooters start shooting twice per 'spike' instead of once (6 fireballs instead of 3). the tricky thing there was that they had to both have the player as the activator AND had to start firing at the right time (otherwise the fireballs would come out at uneven times). there's a logic gate with a lightning trap that starts firing at the same interval as the trap shooters which starts off blocked. when the dlords die, the logic gate is opened. the trick is that it doesn't turn on the info_traps. it triggers the teleporter that gives you the quad. it's actually the quad damage you pick up that triggers them (so that the player is the activator, if the lightning started them it would be 'world' that triggered them). that's why you will sometimes get the quad sooner or later when the dlords die, and not always at the same time. the boss teleport is pretty simple. there are 4 info_teleport_destinations surrounding the arena. each destination is surrounded by 5 trigger_teleports (4 for the sides and 1 below) that teleport to another of the destinations. each destination is surrounded though, so no matter where it goes, it's bound to teleport somewhere else eventually. when the death lords die, all the trigger_teleports are killtargetted. as for the knight drag, it's actually from when preach coded in model support. previously, you couldn't assign a model to a func_ because the game would complain about not having it precached. there was supposed to be a func_train_point made specifically for assigning models, which is what i would have used, but that entity is actually broken, because it's still coded to set the func_train_point as SOLID_BSP which is not allowed with a spirit: i was able to watch your demos fine in aguirReGLQuake. pretty funny, if you don't mind me saying so, especially the first couple. ;) the hack where you get a free quad after killing the death lords is actually abusing the built in quake 'unstuck' feature.
when you go through a teleporter (or turn on noclip), the game saves the origin you were at so that, if your new origin is invalid (ie: stuck in a wall), it can pop you back into place. so all i do there is teleport the player into the floor. he picks up the quad, but gets 'unstuck' and put back where he was. the only thing is that it doesn't remember your orientation, which is why your view changes, which is unavoidable. Brilliant!! It's really cool hearing about such trickery with very basic quake functions. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/net_sham.zip
Slow, cautious, vaguely inept, but I made it! Great job, Necros! The gear lift, light beams, and end-game hackery make this map more than memorable. The added sounds were put to good use and I loved the little touches like the knight drag. The textures and architecture were a mixed bag overall, but they somehow worked. I was a little disappointed at not having to revisit the water area on the bottom floor. I also found the ending slightly confusing, but I eventually caught on.
It will be tough trying to top this release, but I know you can do it! ;) P.S. Quoth ladders need help now! i had some issues with quoth ladders since i'm so used to climbing rubicon2 ladders (where jump = climb and you face away from the ladder to fall off)
i myself prefer the hl style ladders where if you walk 'towards' the ladder, you move up (and move down if you back 'away') and when you jump, you fly off in the direction you're facing. they're also a lot faster.
the quoth ladders are at the mercy of the mapper. you have to set an angle key, and contrary to docs, the angle key has nothing to do with what angle you have to face to use the ladder, but instead, it refers to the angle you are thrown off when you jump. it's unfortunate but i noticed nearly no one jumps off the ladders in this map, even though they are set up for it. i can only assume it's because they don't know. :( One of Gb's Qouth testmaps with multiple ladders, jumping between them was the only way to finish the level.
I thought this map was pretty awesome. I mean that literally too, my jaw dropped several times while playing, and I had to remind myself I was playing a 12 year old game. I was drawn into the ambiance created through architecture and map entities. My disbelief was well suspended, and I really felt like I was in a creaky moldy clock tower, crawling with vorelings. Using new sounds for the lifts was a pretty simple change, but it was very effective in making the map seem different. Also, the rotating bits are some of the best utilized I've seen in any quake map I can remember, so kudos for that.
The gameplay in the first half actually felt like a medieval version of xplore by speedy - tight gameplay with well placed monsters where every shot counts. A welcome change from the mindless horde-killing maps. The final battle was way more difficult than I was expecting, on hard (it took me probably 20-30 tries), but it was certainly something different, so I had to figure out what was going on and what to do in the heat of battle. It was mostly the player-seeking bomb launchers that I would forget to pay attention to for a brief moment, and then pay the price for. I certainly don't intend to advocate stifling innovation or anything; no, new styles of boss fight are definitely a good thing. (and I'd never have thought up an entity setup like that in a million years) ..All I can humbly offer is a crappy, boring demo...
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/ne_tower_nm_100_thesilent.zip 12 mins, skill 3, 157(?) monsters, 100% secrets. It was mostly the player-seeking bomb launchers that I would forget to pay attention to for a brief moment, and then pay the price for.
yes, the shooters were kind of a toss up. with the cross, they won't even do any damage at all, unless it's direct hit, and then only like 10-20 damage (when you have the YA, like ~10). i like the way powerups like that change an entire fight around. i think there could even be something where pents or quads are not overpowered, and maybe even a way to work invisibility in somehow... i wish we had added the hipnotic wetsuit in. it had the added effect of giving you normal movement speed in water instead of that 60% or whatever with a biosuit. the silent: not boring, always fun to watch people play your own maps. thanks! sexy as fuk.
firstrun (died at the scorpions), love the sound and the suspense, as well as train models, cogs and other weird shit like breakable stuff. Nice mix of enemies (for the part I did seen), jealous..... http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/ne_tower.zip sry - nope, just a rick-fail where I evidentally uploaded the wrong archive top the demos/ folder on quaketastic. Bugger. There is actually a demo, but its on my home PC, I'll post it later
(blushes) http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rickyne_tower.zip
Willem - Im sorry about this but there's a copy of ne_tower.zip in the demos dir on Quaketastic Necros - promise its the real demo this time :) Also its Fitz 0.85, so protocol 666 'n stuff. (sorry Willem, I know 'uve had probs with I was looking forward to play this one since the very first green teaser screenshot pop-up on your webpage, necros. the map does not dissappoint: the sounds, the cogs, the ladders implementation, the style-change halfway though+the final epic battle (haven't managed to survive there yet)! wow, all great, superB level, thanks
Wow this is just so good, fantastic visual, awesome atmosphere and the way things move around and lock together is breathtaking. Plenty of 'is this really Q1!?!' moments for me. The skill levels were good, I actually completed the map the first time through. Plus I still felt like it was a challenge. Need to play this a couple more times through. :)
This is the sort of map I would love to make with Q3 visuals but it seems necros has done a better job with the Q1/quoth engine. 10/10. I am sure most people think I am some noob quake 1 player here but I do play games to enjoy myself and not be tortured with crazy hard skill levels when I first play a map. If a game has easy/normal skill levels, they should do what they say and not pretend to be hard/nightmare. Necros, your map skills were good and to me that is a big part of what game design is about. Balanced AI encounters depending on correctly worded skill levels. :)
sorry dude, i wasn't trying to have a go at you.
honestly, it really was bad luck that you chose both tronyn's and then negke's map to start off your venture into custom maps. you're probably no worse than most of the guys here. i died a lot on both those maps as well. negke's maps are really weird-smart hard whereas mine are just really brute-force hard. I'd reccomend (in addition to Necros' The Living End/Elder World Waystation) my 2005 map The Masque of the Red Death, if you get a chance...it's much fairer than my more recent ones. But aside from my maps or my reccomendations there's tons of great stuff in modern q1sp (travail, war spasm, quoth, etc).
You might want to put that one on the back burner for a bit. It's not exactly a walk in the park.
I never actually tested easy skill, although some played through on it and said it was reasonable.
Normal and above are pretty terrifying tbh - especially given the play times. Moldy Tower is indeed a great map. can't believe I missed this one. Absolutely wonderful atmosphere and gameplay throughout, and some extremely creative use of Quoth entities.
Loved the gears etc. early on, and the second section being empty for a while really created a lot of tension. Interesting boss fight that I died on and didn't manage to finish (will probably go back later...) Anyway, I really wanted to ask if there is source for this, as I'd like to see how some of the plats are set up so that I use them better in my own level. The Quoth mapping guide is good, but missing a whole bunch of Quoth functionality, so getting a hold of the map source to this would be excellent. Any possibility of that happening, Necros? Glad you liked it!
As linked above, there are map sources for lend, doom, tower and ruins. I can probably dig up the older stuff if anyone cares, but I didn't bother since they're just really old. I went to your page but didn't think to look there for sources (just assumed they'd be in the original zips... doh!)
Thanks! http://shoresofnis.wordpress.com/maps/ They all give me a 404, and there are no sources beyond the one for ne_ruins.
I need to think before I post.
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