...for the info on platforms. I could never figure out how it was done. But all of a sudden it seems clear to me.

As for 'rock brushes', do you mean that if you have two brushes that overlap eachother i.e. one part of each brush is inside of the other and you havent carved one of them into the other, that works OK? 

for me to get the zipped source map files for this pak? 

aguirRe has a masochistic joy for fixing up maps ;)

Also, I haven't played V1.0 just yet, I'll run through it sometime over the weekend to see the changes.

Congrats on the release. 

Although I think perhaps my technique for doing rough outdoor terrain is questionable! Be prepared for a bit of a shock. Or to laugh. Still, you live, you learn. Still wanna see it? 

work. There might be a warning message occasionally, but in most cases it doesn't cause any problems. 

Yes, please. 

September 07! what a month!

climate change/weather probably... no beach for me this year either. Raincoat.

do you mean that if you have two brushes that overlap eachother i.e. one part of each brush is inside of the other and you havent carved one of them into the other, that works OK?

The original id maps are full of that. They practically used it as a feature! Hey, I can have two floors for the price of one? Two ceilings too?

That's how much they used it. There is a water brush in e1m2 that goes practically through the whole level. So anywhere you see water in that level, it's most likely the SAME brush!

=) 

but I wanted to say these are some pretty decent little levels. More later. 

Classic Quake style. Good brushwork and lightning, as well as entity placement. Perhaps a bit easy even on hard, but there are certainly some tough challenges at the end.

The final map was, as everyone else said, the best in the pack, which clearly shows your mapping skills have improved over the course of the episode.

If this weren't in Quoth format, I would consider adding these maps to the RQuake and FvF server. They have potential.

Keep up the good work, hope to see more soon. 

Maybe this is stupid question, but is there transparent water? (without `r_novis 1'). I'm using darkplaces to play this mod and it it solid as concrete.

2nd: I've made an ebuild for Gentoo Linux, it can be found here: http://roslin.kicks-ass.net/download/gentoo/overlay/games-fps/quake1-dejavu/
If this mod works with Qrack or Joequake (some reports?) I will add support for them to the ebuild.
(BTW there's more quake1-* ebuilds for Gentoo users!) 

I checked the pack out - stopped at the end battle in the final room, but I'd say overall I don't agree with everyone saying it's too easy on hard. then again everyone loves the new quoth monsters and I don't, so maybe I just play differently. It definitely seems like you started to get a better handle on scale and such, although I think your next step should be to start designing and building rooms specifically for the monster placement, rather than just making rooms first and then populating them with whatever.

nice work. 

I havent figured out how to do the whole transparent water thing. Theres not much water in the whole thing really, but there is a little I guess. Isnt there a way of doing it where you just run something on the bsp files as they are? If anyone wants to do some trick to make the water transparent then Please go for it!

I tried the episode using darkplaces, and it was OK until I got to the start of dv3 when the player kept spawning inside the train right at the start, is if the info_player_start was being read as being 32 units lower or so?!?!

Shame really, cause I was using it on a 3.2ghz Pentium D w 256mb ATI 1300X, and it looked N.I.C.E. The framerate kept suffering when I put the realtime world lights on in the last room on the start map, I think thats cause its quite a complex room and there are a few special effect lights there (slow strong pulse).

OH well, Ive started a new map, with the aim of making one rather large map instead of six smaller ones. Im not pulling any punches with the brush count either, although ive read the tutorial on doing curves without using the worldraft carve tool, so that should help keep it a bit lower than what it couldve been.

BTW, I think Quoth is the way forwards in quake. I dont know what Quoth 2 is going to be all about, but I think being able to add a wider range of monsters without being a programmer is great, and I think the monsters fit in with the original quake theme fantastically.

Right, off for breakfast. . . 

I don't know about DarkPlaces, been a long time since I used it, but standard 'wateralpha 0 - 1' should work for any map thats been watervised.

So wateralpha 0.5 produces 50% transparent water, but if its not been vised then you'll get HOM (hall of mirrors) effect. You can revis a bsp from outside, check aguirRe's documentation if that's the case.

Qouth2 is basicly expanding on the base enemy set, with alot of other neat features going in as well. 

You could always use "r_novis 1". Few maps actually should be played that way (transparent water) though, most will look better without and sometimes you would badly spoil secrets (eg e2m4 near the start zombie). 

I don't know about DarkPlaces, been a long time since I used it, but standard 'wateralpha 0 - 1' should work for any map thats been watervised.

They look like not watervised to me.


You could always use "r_novis 1".

I know about this, but with this turned on framerate drops noticeably...

PS. and there is some water. I saw one right after spawn on the startmap. (: 

Turning off the vis will fuck just about any map.

Like I say, there is a way to vis a bsp, I've just never used it, but I'm sure aguirRe's documentation and tools can help:

http://user.tninet.se/~xir870k/

But there's not that much water in the maps - is it worth it? 

Is it a lot, or a little... I think it should be watervised anyway. Not that I'm like "no, I refuse to play it", but it should be a standard optimization (if that's a good name for it) for maps.
That would be a good thing to do. That's my opinion.

And about the pack, it's "Deja Vu v1.0" so it can be watervised and updated to v1.1. (; 

Well, look at Travail - there were plenty of areas that I would have liked to have seen watervis, but the huge size and complexity of the maps made it infeasible.

Currently I'm experimenting wth info_commands to dynamically change the water alpha depending on where you are - the teleporter 1 lava 0.9 water 0.4, or something like that. 

Why is is infeasible? It takes a lot of time to made it? It isn't hard, with all this tools, right?

I'm not familiar with this, I did watervising (or re-watervis) with aguiRe's tools (as far as I can remember). It took *a lot* of time. Looking from the other side: maping also takes huge ammount of time, so, in the end, why not to spend a day or two more to watervis them? (: 

Maybe because transparent water is no "instant and always positive feature"? 

I'm somewhat on the fence about transparent water.

Personally, I think that the creator of the map should be respected, that the player should attempt to experience it as intended. I design my maps for opaque water. Water is a gameplay element, and whether monsters can see you and shoot at you through the water matters, and whether you can see them matters, and whether you can see the secret health under the water makes a difference too.

On the other hand, players seem to love transparent water. So is your ego as an artist more important than the whims of the audience? If people want transparent water, or to replace all your textures with TGAs from the retexturing project, or play it in a mod that makes all the monsters have altered AI, then why try to stop them? I once had a roommate that liked to play doom in god mode, because he just enjoyed shooting the monsters and didn't like dying. Look at all the posts where people say "morrowind was unplayable until you install these 3 mods" or that people consider CPMA to be the true quake 3 experience.

Players like to make changes, remix things, modify their gameplay to maximize their perceived enjoyment. Perhaps letting players do what they want improves the overall fan base for a product, and in the long run keeps the community more alive? 

opaque water is sometimes used on purpose out of technical considerations. When compiling maps for transparent water, the water surface doesn't block vis anymore and everything beneath it is rendered as well, thus increasing r_speeds (lowering performance). Of course, modern machines can handle it but that doesn't mean the mapper should not care for performance in certain situations.
Besides, transparent lava looks silly. 

Another reason transparent water wouldn't work so well in a few of the travail maps is the waterfalls. Since they're func_illusionary, they'd be visible through the water and wouldn't go transparent. 

I always presumed people played with transparent water. I do mainly because it looks so much less bad. I suppose it might let you see secrets that are supposed to be hidden underwater, but I really couldn't care less about that. 

When I got my copy of quake from the id website, not 2 or so months ago I found some little patch that adds transparent water to the original quake levels! Yippee! Im as much into eye candy as any other player. How do you vis your levels so that they have transparent water? Somebody tell me and I will certainly do it at some point!

I doubt it would affect gameplay much, due to the design of the levels.

Qrack is nice for eye candy BTW, also Fuhquake with the Quake Retexturing Project textures installed. I prefer the textures in the latter.

Not all of these things are quoth friendly tho. I personally think quoth should be a priority when playing these levels for the added gameplay. You could play them in standard quake if you dont mind all of the error messages on the console when you load a map, cause there are no quoth world entites, and all of the monsters teleport in the old-fashioned way (I couldnt figure out the new way). Some of the monsters are unkillable, due to poor arrangement!