What are the potential problems if exceeding the vertexes limit? I'm pretty much right at it now. However, only just noticed that I had exceeded it by roughly 4000 in MCE with no apparent downsides that I'm aware of?! 

Quakespasm supports seperate alpha for water/slime/lava/telefluid set in worldspawn just fyi :)

I must have missed it. 

BSP 29 has a hard limit of 65536 verts, because face edges reference verts with a 16-bit unsigned integer. I doubt any qbsp will let you exceed this and still write out a BSP 29 file because the map rendering would be totally messed up if it did.

Where was the warning / limit coming from? 

http://quakespasm.sourceforge.net/Quakespasm.html#ss6.3

func_wall with alpha 1, but it often looks transparent anyway (I noticed that in videos/streams)
What engine was that with? AFAIK that is a bug, at least with the Fitzquake / protocol 666 interpretation of alpha. the Fitz 0.85 code specifically mentions that "_alpha" "0" means to use r_wateralpha for liquids, but other "_alpha" values besides 0 take precedence over r_wateralpha 

Thanks so much. Bookmarked! 

TxQbsp reports WARNING: Vertexes 33657 exceed normal engine max 32767.

But it seems there are no consequences, maybe only in software Quake. 

vanilla's vertex limit is 65535 apparently.
I didn't check the asm to ensure that it doesn't sign extend, but otherwise the datatypes are already unsigned and thus already 65k. 

What engine was that with?

Quakespasm, don't know the version, I guess the recent one. Gotta check it out myself.
Btw it was with func_illusionary, not func_wall if that matters. Works correctly in latest mark v tho. 

Hi, I've been searching for some info but wasn't able to find anything conclusive. The map I'm working on is almost done, I've made some huge changes and the map is now fully playable in WinQuake, a program I've not used in... let's not say how long.

The only problem is greyflash, I know easily fixable by setting r_surfs and r_edges to say 10000, and the map runs perfect. I wan't to reduce the amount of polys being rendered so the map runs akin to and id map. Essentially max 800 surfs, 2400 edges. I am almost there, 80% of the map is below this limit.

Will doing a full vis help this? Haven't done it yet and it may take at least a day or so. Is there any other way to reduce what is rendered, I've already simplified and added "S turns." Any help is appreciated.

Thanks. 

I think you should have run vis first, before making huge changes. In GLQuake, vis can reduce r_speeds by a factor of 10 or more. If that has any correlation to r_surfs and r_edges in WinQuake, it may have been all you needed to do. 

Yeah that's what I was guessing. The reason I made changes had nothing to do with VIS. I had to reduce entities, edicts and marksurfaces to be compliant with WinQuake. I will give VIS level 4 a try though. Thank you. 

help guys:
I'm trying a Q1 total conversion(a true one! as Carmack stated in gpl readme) and I created my monsters totally re-skinning the standard knight model in qme.
So,in a supposed commercial release, may I use them also with the knight animations left untouched in qme ?
-my monsters don't resemble id original in any way and after all animations frames are only numeric values in qme.. not assets I guess- 

the knights are in the free shareware Quake demo (pak0.PAK), you're fine. 

Besides, shareware Quake may only be used to testplay the game, not used to run mods or build upon. Don't be fooled by things like nQuake and the like claiming it's all legal and "free Quake". 

I'm pretty sure the sources were GPL'd and not the assets. Unless you're remodelling the whole thing from scratch, you can't use so much as a frame. 

yes, indeed the id assets remain under copyright, but I hoped at least one may use a flat-shaded primitive monster model as a base :(
..that could save me a lot of work
By the way why nobody tries to do TC's anymore since gpl license let you even sell them ? 

yes, indeed the id assets remain under copyright, but I hoped at least one may use a flat-shaded primitive monster model as a base :(
..that could save me a lot of work
Make new, better models. Old ones are ok, but for example UVs are garbage, wastes a lot of space.

By the way why nobody tries to do TC's anymore since gpl license let you even sell them ?
Laziness... ;D
Making TC is like making a new game. idTech 2 is quite outdated and has few annoying downsides, so I guess people prefer to work on their project with newer engines, especially when engines like Unity/Unreal are widely available. 

Would be if you were already familiar with it and wanted to develop in an iterative manner, replacing what you needed to as you got to it.

... And having said that there are probably still better options out there for this. 

hey guys... what's the current state of lit water? engines that support it? main branches of compilers that do? 

How do I turn the key into a rune key?
I don't know the spawnflag or key name. 

"worldtype" "1" in worldspawn

(there's also "2" for base keys: https://quakewiki.org/wiki/worldspawn ) 

Change Worldtype key to value 1 (Metal/Runic) from World Spawn.