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Quake 1 Episodes 
Hello, I'm new to mapping for Quake but have picked it up rather quickly. I would like to know how I'd go about making a .pak file instead of just single maps, like creating a whole episode. I've no idea how to make an episode and any help will be much appreciated. Thanks! 
 
I use pakscape: http://eliteforce2.filefront.com/file/;1327

You drag and drop folders and files in just like winzip. 
 
All that .pak files are are just .zip folder style containers with files in. :) 
Thanks. 
Ok, got it. Thanx guys! 
Just To Clarify 
AFAIK, pak files are not renamed zip files. Pk3 files are, though. 
Zip Works For Pak 
 
Err, No 
It doesn't. Try it. 
Custom Engines 
It probably works in some custom engines, if they support the pk3 format then they probably support it even if the extension is wrong - particularly because it offers compatibility with the pakN.pak automatic loading scheme. But I agree with SleepwalkR that most engines won't cope.

Fun fact: Fitzquake (and so I assume most other engines) will read any mdl, bsp or spr file correctly even if you name it with one of the other extensions. I haven't found a practical reason to do this other than confusing people, but it's neat to know.

Apologies to Flesh420 for all this mad, unneccessary and contradictory posting, please ignore everything after necros's reply! 
 
pak is the same thing as bmp 
Jump Height Difference? 
I'm banging out a remake of DM-Stalwart from UT99 to brush up on my brushwork (har har) and I noticed just by chance that a ledge I had made was able to be jumped on in Darkplaces, but not in Quakespasm. I changed to Quakespasm because it doesn't fudge the lighting (I spent time on that lighting!) and it looks like it's fudging the player physics too. Is there something I'm missing, or does Darkplaces have buggy/improper player physics? 
Greybox Texture? 
Also curious if there's a .wad floating around with greybox textures. I'm using one of the tiled floor patterns from the stock textures, but I've seen plenty of screenshots where prototype maps have a few differently colored grids as placeholders. 
 
The physics in Darkplaces and Quakespasm are different. This is because Darkplaces is based on the Quakeworld engine, whereas Quakespasm is based on the netquake engine (What was originally dosquake->winquake->glquake) 
Target? 
Which set of behaviors should I target? Quaddicted recommends Quakespasm, so I suppose it'd be safer to target that engine. Is there a consensus on which engine is preferred for SP/DM? Up until I discovered this today I had no idea there were differing physics models across Quake/QuakeWorld, so I'm kind of thrown. 
Mind The Step 
The jumping difference is down to step physics. When the player hits an obstacle, the engine checks if the player can clear the obstacle by being pushed 18 units higher. This is how you can go up steps without needing to jump for each one. In regular quake, you must be standing on the ground for this to work. You might notice this if you jump while climbing some steps - you get blocked by the netx step and lose your forward momentum.

Darkplaces relaxes this requirement, allowing you to climb stairs even if you are off the ground. This fixes the blocking when you jump into some stairs. However, this also lets you climb a ledge you are pressing against, once you are less than 18 units short of the height needed to land on it. In effect, darkplaces lets you climb ledges 18 units higher than normal. This is not a qw physics difference, it's specific to darkplaces and can be disabled with sv_jumpstep 0 
I Made Some Grey/orange Textures For Mapping 
Using Quakespasm Is Best 
because most people will be using a similar engine (like fitzquake, directq or rmq). This is at least true for the singleplayer side of things.
If I am not mistaken though a lot of the multiplayer engines are based on darkplaces (like Nquake). 
Allcaps 
https://anonfiles.com/file/30705c2042e16922502fd84e7237e8f0

This is the greybox wad I use in my current DM map. I made the textures in Wally. Have fun. 
To Map Hackers 
negke & co., how do I make an item float in midair in vanilla quake? There must be some way to circumvent the droptofloor part. 
Yep 
you rest the item on an object that gets removed when the map starts... 
 
Indeed, this works even in deathmatch. Thanks. 
Make Sure To Remove It A Frame Or So After The Map Starts 
weapons don't drop to floor until a frame or so passes. 
 
correct me if i'm wrong but I think it actually needs to be after 1 second, because the game starts at 1 second.

so, a nextthink of 0.5 would actually run at 1 second and would be before droptofloors are called.
to be safe, it should be at least > 1. 
My Method 
Was to have the player touch a trigger once that killtargeted all the func_walls I had set up for the feature.

Worked on all engines as I recall. 
Gb 
Simplest setup is a func_wall that removes itself (no need for triggers). Add the following fields:

"think" "SUB_Remove"
"nextthink" "0.2"


necros: I've heard that one before, but it's either incorrect or irrelevant in this context. Setting nextthink to 0.X in a map works fine. If anything, if the game starts at 1 second, then all of such values will be automatically executed at 1.X. 
Engines 
To clarify a few wrong statements above: there are so-called NetQuake type engines - the ones that Quake SP runs on as well - and there are QuakeWorld engines which, among other things, have client-side prediction and modified physics, and are originally not meant to be used for SP. Some people use NQ engines for multiplayer games, some prefer QW. Naturally, certain NetQuake ports geared more toward singleplayer, while others are made with multiplayer in mind.

All engine ports are based on the original WinQuake, GLQuake, or QW sources released by id. Darkplaces, on the other hand, was largely rewritten from scratch as far as I know, and as such handles several things different than regular engines. It supports both NQ and QW servers, but it's not the base for any other ports. 
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