fuck you mfx, seriously.
asshole. 

I personally think that everyone is a wuss for being afraid of the dark. People seem to have this obsession with high visibility, even though you really don't need to be able to see what you're shooting that well in Quake.

I really like what mfx is doing with their lighting, plenty of bright highlights that are well placed/used appropriately. I just feel like if I made my level as dark as I had originally wanted to...

1. The water would look even worse. Seriously, where is my lit water support?!
2. People would complain that they couldn't see well on their 17" 2003 matte TN panel that they use in direct sunlight

Things like hiding the floor in darkness (ala https://i.imgur.com/U59qE2D.png) and only highlighting the edges with light are things that I would like to do, but my experience last time I posted my own screens has made me wary of trying... 

There is a chasm the rift reverse engineer project

https://github.com/Panzerschrek/Chasm-Reverse/releases 

mfx, amazing shots, very impressive! Although I do feel the contrast between the sky and everything else is a bit too much. 

 

GTFO 

Thanks for the feedback! It's welcome anytime. We're very much on the same page as far as the dos and don'ts :D

Honest question: why is it important to prevent the player from e.g. save-scumming?

Think of save-scumming in terms of its mechanical impact on the game: it's sort of like a retroactive god-mode. Save-scumming fundamentally undermines the game itself by not allowing it to make demands of the player, or to reward the player for their successes or to provide consequences for their failures. What you have left is a walking simulator where the player has no accountability and meaningful interaction with the game is at a minimum.

Now, I'm not trying to imply that the player should be pushed to frustration or deprived of agency. If the player is regularly failing a challenge then they are either playing on too high a difficulty or there is a serious design flaw within the game.

Soul Tethers integrate the powerful mechanic that is quick-saving into the game. They themselves can be a reward for exploration or for completion of other challenges. I want to reiterate that the player is not denied the option to save; they are denied the option to save very often to the point of abuse. Consider this: say you have a level with a 20 minute play time. Within this level are 3 shrines (checkpoints) and 3 soul tethers. That's an average of 1 save every 3-4 minutes (assuming the player has no other soul tethers in inventory). IMO, that doesn't sound so bad. I hope this helps.

@mfx - lookin' great! 

But not everybody plays the game for the Challenge, also this is like console gamers saying "if quicksave exists I can't help myself" 

But not everybody plays the game for the Challenge

this is where difficulty modes come into play. 

I watched Aliens numerous times but never registered that the outpost was called Hadley's Hope. I had to google it. It's not like this is vital info, after all... 

I think it's only in the special edition which adds some scenes 

Hadleys Hope did ring a bell, but i was connecting it to Halo. I know, lolwtf?!?!

The directors cut/special edition does mention it.

Lame me. 

Halo (...) lolwtf
Well to be fair, Halo owes quite a bit to Alien(s)... 

Here are some links if you still want to try the 3O models from Chasm

http://www.shikadi.net/moddingwiki/3O_Format

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXihNqQcI6A 

without tophats ? 

Lots more detail and lighting tweaks to be done. This will be my 2nd Q1SP release but technically my 3rd SP map. Happy to read constructive criticism.

http://imgur.com/a/T1Nul 

Probably needs lots more detail and lighting tweaks but definitely good potential :) 

This looks too dark too me, and too empty. Need more details, broken pieces, ... 

Too dark? I can see pretty clearly. Maybe you need to adjust your monitor, Barnak. 

focus on layout and gameplay before working on details 

Thanks for feedback all.

@Barnack The map is being designed for GAMMA 1 setting in the console. I'll be tweaking things a lot before release. As far as empty... yep but little details come last in a Jam. Last priority for me.

@Drew Luckily Quoth makes it so easy to tweak game play with the use of multiple targets per entity. I love it. 

definitely comes in handy, hence why I always pissed everyone off with my non-vanilla speedmaps hahaha 

I think that what makes Quake maps interesting, is the exploration factor, the atmosphere, the out-of-this-world feel and the vistas, the details.

Thi is what make Quake different (and superior ?) to most modern games which are using high resolution textures and fake 3D to make them realistic looking. Quake compensate its low resolution texture set with more 3D details.

Add more ruins, piles of bricks, rocks, broken parts, pilars, columns and altars, pipes and machinery, holes and traps, broken walls, etc. This is so cool in this game ! 

lookin' good. the first shot feels pretty doomy. When is the deadline for jame9, anyway? 

Deadline was extended to the 22nd. The big area in that first shot is an homage to Doom 2 Map03 The Ganlet. I was going to stick to that layout but that central area is really all that survived.

http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/MAP03:_The_Gantlet_(Doom_II)

@barnak

Add more ruins, piles of bricks, rocks, broken parts, pilars, columns and altars...

These are WIP (work-in-progress) shots as I mentioned. I'll put in as much detail as I can. I was planning on it. I totally agree with you about atmosphere. Jams are jams though. :) My shoulder is already killing me from mapping for hours on end!