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I still have my speedmap from last time, when no one else managed to finish theirs, so I can toss that in. Its theme is DOOM but who needs a theme, right.
I meant the "fat and adorable, with claws" part. Everything is fine - it was a joke anyway. I'll try to get something done as well. Send your maps to me, but keep in mind that if Zwiffle fails to submit one, they'll all be deleted.
who made that map with the giant rat in it... was it you neg? it'd be cool to make a giant cat map where you go inside the cat and fight monsters.
like... you were shrunk down and you have to fight off a disease that's afflicting your poor cat. Yes, my sm100 turtle.
Thinking about the mock theme, I imagined a map where you would see a wild shambler in a skip cage and then seemingly shrink and fight fiend-flees in his fur. I won't be joining, but I'm looking forward to playing!
wish there'd been an SM event during the interlude when CZG was back... necros: Errr, right... ;)
Thanks, Zwiffle. I made one, too (got carried away a bit, again). Please send me yours as well, gb. Its half past 5pm now, im gonna walk the dog for an hour, then eat, then ill do a three hour speedmap. Then I'll email it to negke.
Hopefully that will get me warmed up to map this week, cause i've taken the week off from work. You were just a moment too late. But, by all means, don't let this keep you from doing the map anyway. For the next pack or, if it turns out promising, possibly even expanded into a turtlemap (unless it's base).
This got a bit out of hand - ill prob finish it at some point and release it as more of a TM.
Another speed map this weekend anyone? Are we starting the city map project by any chance? Any theme?
Ok, why not. I was somewhat toying with the idea of giving ikblue a try...
Not sure about the city project as distrans has a very promising Kingpin city map in the works (though temporarily on hold atm) for which I wouldn't want to spoil his motivation. On the other hand, both projects might even benefit from each other? Ideally someone (you) would take initiative by grabbing my source and just expanding it so as to force progress. grabbing my source and just expanding it so as to force progress
k. :D spent an hour or so? on this and just added a few buildings (with one building interior), a train engine + tracks (which...i dunno, if it could be turned into an actual moving one or not as part of gameplay). http://necros.quaddicted.com/temp/func_city_04-13-11.zip i have included kp_sky.wad which is the sky neg used in his original speed map but wasn't included in kp_full.wad. i've also used the slime texture from quake.wad (once...) but i figure having quake.wad alongside kp_full.wad is a good idea as it gives you a big selection of liquids, animated buttons and key icons. still, i think, if anyone does decide to add on to this, try to keep it to just those things and not any of the regular quake textures. i've also included common.wad which just has all the clip, trigger, skip, etc textures. for obvious reasons, kp_full.wad and quake.wad are not included. nab those off quaddicted.com/wads. also, please update the date in the filename so it's easy to tell which file is newer without having to resort to timestamps which aren't all that reliable. Though you made the exit of the tunnel too narrow for a (the) car to fit through. :D
As for a moving train, it could act as an environmental hazard or as an actual means to travel between parts of the map. ok, how bout you just post that you are going to work on the map.
then you've got a day before your time expires and you have to re-upload the map. if no one has 'reserved' the map in a day, it's free to take and work on it. just don't take longer than a day. even if you only added 5 brushes. how does that sound? we can keep a queue going, so right now it's just zwiffle. if he does nothing today, it would be whoever was next in line sort of thing. A day seems fine to me. The lower the time allowed the faster it will rotate hands and the more people get to work on it, see what's been changed, etc.
Any upper limit on when to call it done? # brushes, over all size, # enemies, etc? One day should be enough of a limit - you probably can't add that many brushes in that time. No limits, just be reasonable and try to imagine the bigger picture. Or something.
i think he meant like, when to call the map finished?
i'd say, assuming it's not completely wide open to the void or whatever, whenever people stop wanting to add to it? that's of course assuming this project doesn't garner much interest. if for some odd reason there's a lot of people suddenly helping out, we'll probably have to just discuss it here or something... i think the overall goal per session with the thing though, shouldn't be to finish your own areas, i figure, the more you leave open for the next guy, the better off it is. finish off someone else's area, so that it's truly multiuser work. god... i wish we could get like a coop editor. that'd be fucking insane. like, it's radiant or WC or whatever, but you're mapping on a server. (not mapping in the engine like cube or minecraft). fuck. i wish i could program! How would that even work? Can you delete other peoples' brushes? Or just your own? How would ctrl+z work? Serial may be best for mapping, multi user mapping seems neat, but could be a huge head ache in the long run.
i imagine it'd function like minecraft. no undo, and yeah, you'd totally be able to grief other mappers.
of course, i'm a nice person and just assume that'd never happen. :P anyway, just wishing out loud, really. Yeah I probably won't be able to get to it until Friday night at the earliest - I got stuck trying to solve some problems with kp_full.wad refusing to load and won't be able to work on it tonight.
if that's okay with you Zwiffle?
This is a great idea.. there's pressure to work since you only have a day, and have to announce it here. It should be interesting to see what happens with it! so what's happening today? ericw, have you uploaded your changes somewhere yet? and zwiffle, are you still planning to have a go at it today?
But I added a few little details. I put in a fuse box which you have to use to turn on the basement lights. Also added some background buildings, and started a bit of underground tunnel.
necros: those transparent windows look sweet! These kingpin textures are really impressive. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/misc/func_city_04-15-11.zip underground area looks like it could be cool. maybe the slime in my section should be replaced with water so you can swim around or something.
also, i'm planning on trying to build some stuff seperate and then i'll nab the map next week and paste the additions in and poke it into place. just throwing that out there... if anyone wants to try that too. that way you don't feel pressured to do something when you get the map, you can just reserve it when you feel comfortable to add something in. just trying to keep options open. i think a lot of it is down to being respectful of other's stuff but at the same time, i don't think every brush should be treated like it's glued into place.
let's put it this way-- the more brushes are in an area, the less it should change. if it's an empty building then feel free to move it around or whatever. if it's a room that's done, with doors, lights, etc etc, then add to it, or modify it slightly. mapper discretion, really. a rough example, take negke's original map. don't delete the core parts, but moving or deleting the outer wall is ok if you were to expand it. but deleting one of the two buildings in the center to replace it with your own would be not cool. dunno if any of that helps. if all else fails: don't be a dick! :D maybe it would be better to be super strict about this?
"don't delete or change anything unless you originally put it there" ? I think your second last post sounds good, necros.
With sections like negke's which are more or less completed ideas, it makes sense to stick to making smaller changes - maybe changing where you enter/exit the area, tweaking details or weapons/monsters to balance the level. The only changes I made there were putting a different texture on the old exit door and stacking some boxes in front of it. on the other hand, when you have areas that are only sketched out, I think a lot of the fun will be seeing how other people interpret and finish them. btw: necros, you built the initial new area in an hour 0_0? Man, that's crazy! It looks really great. I spent 3-4 hours on the few little details I added. what editor are you using? i prefer the first method too. things will change as the map grows and adhering to strict rules will just get in the way.
besides, we're not assholes here (heh...) and if someone does do something dumb, we can just skip it. :P it may have been a little longer than an hour, i wasn't keeping track or anything. neg's initial map is pretty inspiring. i'm using sikkpin's qe3 (which is based off the original qeradiant code. similar in many ways to gtkr1.4. Keep in mind my map is supposed to be a backyard or back alley with a garages (one anyway) and garbarge dumbsters (imaginary). So the architecture behind the exit gates should be wide enough that a car fits through, a path to connect to a road nearby somewhere. This is what I would change first in necros' part.
so what's the status today? did you make any changes zwiffle? or should i work off of eric's version?
No I totally forgot with all the Portal 2 Potato Sack scam thing over the weekend. Sorry! I got swept up in Portal 2 20-minutes-early fever =/
With QExpo 11 on the way, I was thinking of doing a weekly turtle map event with the goal of releasing very quick Quake episodes for the QExpo. I don't know how feasible that is or who all is interested - it is a lot of work with not a lot of time. Not counting this week (starting this upcoming Saturday) we'll have 8 weeks until QExpo on June 19th. So of course the maps don't have to be full, normal releases, but a nice bunch of map packs sounds feasible.
Who all is interested? in doing a kind of speedmap episode.
definitely not TM quality. I'll have something for qexpo, I think, anyway so I could map quickly (instead of learning Radiant), and have been messing with the Rubicon2 set - I don't know if I can make a speedmap with this, I get too caught up in details like, immediately!
This sounds intriguing. Doesn't have to be "a couple" of episodes, one would be good already. Basically a speedmap pack with interlinked maps and a bit more polish than usual.
Drew: Indeed. Tbh, it would have been surprising if nobody had come up with the idea before. Seems like it didn't work out, though. Speaking of which, what's the status of the city map - did anyone continue working on it? Or did Zwiffle's clochard francais attitude thwart it? French tramp attitude?
I never really touched the map, I basically skipped my turn when the Portal 2 ARG happened and forgot about it, so I figured Necros was working on it. Also, I think I'm going to do a slower turtle map thing, since there are 8 weeks I figure 2 weeks per map can come up with a nice 4 map episode, seems more doable imo. Seems doable, yes. But how likely is it that you (or any participant) will actually keep working on the maps at a steady-enough pace etc. Planning ahead for four maps sounds quite ambitious and may eventually go over one's head (feel like work maybe). Unless you're really talking about slightly more refined speedmaps.
Pretty much just slightly more extravagant speedmaps, yeah. I would skimp on details and refinement for the sake of quantity up to a point, but otherwise they would be bigger, badder speedmaps more or less, with plenty of flaws.
Alright. Though I suggest aiming for three maps then and spending time for the fourth on detailing and minimizing the flaws. Skill settings, too. And if a few other people did at least one map, a small episode should be realistic.
Would help a lot as well if anyone wants to sign up for testing these maps. 3 maps + skill levels would be tough to fine tune without testers!
totally haven't touched that thing since zwiffle weekend.
been swept up in my own stuff this last week or so. finishing up maps for release and just couldn't work up any excitement over the city map. :P ...given my total lack of mapping feats, this may be the only thing I can contribute to the expo...
I once made a speedmap with metal textures and zombies (with a "zombie ride"). Does anyone remember which pack it was? I kinda want to build upon that map.
You just made a damn good argument pro multiple screenshots per entry. Also having all authors in the author field.
not: sm111_spirit.bsp sm127_spirit.bsp sm130_spirit.bsp sm131_spirit.bsp sm134_spirit.bsp sm139_spirit.bsp sm140_spirit.bsp sm142_spirit.bsp sm144_spirit.bsp sm146_spirit.bsp sm147_spirit.bsp sm150_spirit.bsp sm151_spirit.bsp sm152_spirit.bsp sm161_spirit.bsp sm162_spirit.bsp smqe08d_spirit.bsp (half of those were never finished or released) sm148!
http://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/sm148_pack.html Also I realised that I made some find speedmaps. :-) a few months before I was planning on buying a new one. too bad as well, I'd whipped up a little kingpin themed underground dive-bar to potentially insert into func_city(with mandatory shotgun under the bar)...
Will definitely participate and create a map or three once I get a new setup going, to be interlinked with those of other authors, or to function as a little mini-episode on their own ala RPG. also, I'd be happy to test. that the kingpin one neg was talking about? cause that'd be quite sweet. really in the mood for urban stuff atm. :)
hi all, latelly been mapping some minutes a day and made a small map that is almost ready(it suck's but for a speedmap is ok) I'm very rusty :\ if anyone can make anything could be a small speedmap event? deadline sunday 5 june?
You could make a mini episode like Zwif suggested, Trinca!
Also, might be better to start collecting now but push the date back so we have a bigger pack for Qexpo There will be a speedmapping event during Qexpo. Hopefully with as many people from here as possible (so save your energy if it only suffices for one map per year or something). Ideas about a possible theme? Ideally something related to the 15th anniversary. Perhaps simply a vague "15".
There have been several tribute themes before. However, it may be good in the context of this QX, and likely a more inviting theme for newer/non-func mappers. Will keep it in mind.
how about something that shows off how far the game has come in those 15 years.
Instead of something that looks and plays like 1999 again. this required more time for sure :|
And time is always a problem, if we use quoth there are a lot of good stuff "Instead of something that looks and plays like 1999 again."
Who said they had to look and play exactly like them? :E I'm actually going to be out of town during Qx11 =/ So if I get my map done before then, I would prefer something smaller that I can get done before I go out of town. I like the 180 brush theme, probably a bit too many brushes for a speedmap (unless you're negke.)
Of course, if you prefer creating each brush individually....
What's the status of your semi-speed project, Zwiffle? Are you going to throw your recent metal layout into the bunch as well? Participants make 2 or more linked maps. People contributing only one can maybe make quick changes and band together to make an episode? Might screw gameplay up though...
...and then getting lost in the details :)
I will definitely submit something, though! I look forward to it :D what name to give maps? sm164_?
What was the last time and whose e-mail to send my maps? yeah, amazing.
I say no theme. Just episodes, or maybe if you're planning on doing a single map talk with some others so they could be linked up? What do you guys think about that aspect of the idea? Would it just be a giant pain in the ass? thanks for comments.
I started single map for sm164. I think it is difficult to make 2 good maps for such a short time. And agree on a link, too, not simple. At least for me... :) Maybe it would be better to come up with a theme and create a single map for QExpo? Digs sent me his map. You others, go make one and submit it by sunday night. Feel free to follow any of the recently suggested themes.
mine is almost ready :)
should I keeo it to qexpo... in case I will not have time? or sent it over? :p I won't pack it up until Monday morning though. So it's actually Sunday night in your time zone.
didn't finish mine :( kids don't let me... but at least I will have 100% of possibility to have a map at qexpo :p
not really a speedmap though, spent a few hours on it... kind of inspired by neg's mappi.
but I like it, and I'd like to either make it into a turtle, or just the start of my SM pack - I have a little idea for a simple 3 map episode.
Right now.
The reason why I mentioned a favourite album theme was because I always map with music, and which album tends to colour what I put together. So I spose it's more of a mapping litmus test than anything. The reason why I mentioned a favourite album theme was because I always map with music, and which album tends to colour what I put together.
man, i do this too! when i replayed my maps years later, i found myself humming the tunes i listened to when making the map. it was very eerie. like there was a definite connection in my head between the map and the song. I started making a map for QExpo
Still have digs06, but I have probably not have time for the anniversary, so concentrate all forces on the first map Music: Yeah, totally. I can remember certain music/albums, too. At least for some levels. Heh, the name of my vertical map reflects best what kind of stuff I listened to when making it (hint: not the band).
digs: Cool. Even if you don't manage to finish it, be sure to post screenshots of your WIP maps at QExpo. have the title of the song I was listening to when I finished them as their title.
http://expo2011.quakewiki.net/view.php?id=96
I wrote "15 years tribute" as a vague generic theme for the lack of a better idea. Make anything you want. It's somewhat unfortunate that QExpo runs from Sunday to Saturday, not a full weekend. So the deadline is 23 June 12:00 GMT. Name your maps smqx11_name.bsp. you have to be logged in to see that page, btw.
also, i am able to edit that page when logged in. o.0 sad about the recent bullshit, but whatever.
I combined the three sessions into one map, with 3 distinct areas... If anyone has a map in which you just get a nailgun and super shotgun, feel free to link to smqx11_drew, and does anyone want to make an ID1 BOSS type of map, with every weapon except the RL? If so I'll link mine to yours! compiling now and then zipping, then heading to work. I linked to smqx11_trinca.
Also, mine will just be smqx11_drew now if anyone wants to link to it. if you only have dbl shot, nailgun in it!
Glad you made it out btw this is for zwiffle i enjoyed his map very much it was hard thx for the fun
nice designs me likey http://hahasweet.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/zwiffq11.zip I might be able to participate, I beat two games this week so I'm able to relax a little and get some mappy time in.
Digs map is worth it.
Also, I might be able to make it, if a later deadline is worked out. This week is too crazy, but I can probably find a night to do it next week 1. Striped or plaid world
2. tron-style 3. Antiremake: to make a map, a layout which would have guessed any known map 4. Jumping: map, which has always somewhere to jump 5. I dabbled in quite a long time such a thing: I've been doing for Ogre burst missile 1000 damage. This meant that at the time of the explosion you see a blank, then you will break no matter the distance at which you're away. The same goes for monsters. The theme: to make this mod. Ogre will be the central figure 6. unthemed 7. unthemed 8. unthemed 9. unthemed 10. unthemed I prefer to make a map that take less efford... like 50 or 100 brushes...hehehe
:) Time is not my friend anymore... since I change computer to VDI at work :( quark runs really really slow :( and at home no way... not time for it! Everytime I try to make something at home... there is always something to do, kids and wife don't give me much time... and when I got some I'm wasted to make anything!!!
but 50 brushes is easy :p 23:18:31 | <@Vondur> i'm going out of civilisation for the next 4 days, so keep this vault cool and not be a nazi
23:18:52 | <@negke> hf. don't kill anyone 23:19:12 | <@Vondur> i'll try 23:20:03 | <@negke> Zwiffle: let's make speedmaps for his return 23:20:13 | <@Vondur> would be a blast 23:21:12 | <@Vondur> what could be better for the person that was suffering vodka injections 4 days non stop and returning to his sweeth ome and discovering new speedmap on func_ 23:21:40 | <@Vondur> but i bet Zwiffle will ruin everything Vondur's Vodka Adventure. For the datcha on his iceberg is an olive on crushed ice in a sea of Russian Standard.
That theme suggestion was a joke of course. But has anyone actually made a map or is still going to? Just checking to see if I should wait for you or pop out the two maps I have.
Just waiting for Zwiffle to submit his map. But feel free to do a map next weekend, maybe others will join in then, including me.
Origami
Desert Half-Life Mountain Indiana Jones Cliffside Graveyard Western Inverted Cathedral/Castle Necropolis on the moon Elderworld themepark Shrimp Pinhata Shamblair Witch Project Unthemed I'd like to do some speed mapping, (I'm busy for the next few days though so give it a week or so :P). here are some suggestions for a theme
Islands Bridges Wooden Construction Modern Architecture So, how about a "Let's try Trenchboom" session this weekend? 1 hour to get into it, another hour to map or something like that. So 2 hours spent as you like. Theme "Oh my god, it's all 3D!". Not even negke may spent more time on it and if his map is polished he will be disqualified. Seriously, speedmaps are
Anyone interested? I might install need to install Windows for this... :P I've started messing around with an idbase theme (actually I've started remaking Deck 16 from UT for a bit of fun/practice)...
This editor is crazy. I've been tinkering all day with my level, if by speed mapping you mean done in less than a week then maybe. 2 hours isn't going to be enough time for my slow ass.
This is probably a couple of features away from being the perfect map editor (better texture alignment and some kind of curve making tool). I dunno what to do about the alignment though, it's really skewed on diagonally rotated brushes. An hour is not enough indeed. Also it is quite hard to get into the editor for me.
Speedmapping was originally 100 minutes and I always thought that was great. But of course you need to know your editor to do something nice in that time. I'll try to make something in 100 minutes. Got some ideas in my head. I wonder how working with func_s turns out. :D but i dont check up on this site that regular nor do i hang out on IRC a lot, so if the ever wil be another speedmap session pls drop me a mail (verorbeb@hotmail.com).
Especialy since the well seems to dry up a bit lately and i (still) have an everlasting appetite for maps to run :) (and map quality is quite often completly indifferent to wether its fun to run or not) I'm writing papers and so obviously I'm feeling inspired to procrastinate by mapping. Next Sunday?
having ran 'speedmapping events' long long ago... I honestly think it's just easier and more open the everyone to just pick a theme on Friday, post it, and have everyone post their map during the week, or maybe just have someone collect them from people to release a pack on the next Friday.
It's more convenient for people's lives to just let everyone be their own judge of time. And as long as people take to heart the '100 minutes... within reason' rule, it's not like we need to sit around together in IRC or anything trying to get stuff together. Hell, why even bother with a '100 minute' rule, just post a theme, and as long as the map is released before the next week's theme is up... it's still a 'speedmap', just a different flavor. yeah I wasn't gonna do the IRC thing. I'd rather not organize, but I can if nobody else wants to. Just let me know.
I think the speedmap should run either over the course of a weekend (fri-sun/mon) or fri-thurs/fri.
The theme should be the only restriction really. It doesn't have to be every week either, maybe once a month? Also, I wish Quaddicted had pictures to accompany all the speed maps. I thought you took the pictures! :D
It would be cool though to see maybe like a split picture showing off various maps. If I get bored enough.. maybe ;) that's mostly my fault - sorry Spirit! I started working on that a long time ago but dropped off as real life became a thing (EG going to school full time, working part time, raising a fresh baby when not doing those things).
anyways, I'm probably going to do my speedmap in the next couple of days, because after that I'll be legitimately too busy to do shit besides school work (tis the season). No pressure on you guys, obviously -- more time would probably result in more contributions, which is better for everyone. I always tried to passive aggressively not take them so negke does. He always chooses nicer locations too. the majority should be his work actually :)
Right now there can only be one screenshot per entry which would suck for speedmaps. I cannot be arsed to add some functionality without the need though. no idea how to nicely handle multiple shots per page (javascript is a nono). Drew, no worries! I didn't take screenshots for the speedmapping packs, because 1) too much work (160+ packs), 2) only one shot per page allowed (and merging several into one = even more work), 3) not worth it (I don't consider them proper maps like the other releases, and people who have a genuine interest in them can likely do without screenshots, anyway).
I actually tried to initiate an impromptu classic speedmapping session yesterday on irc. Bunch of small tribute-themed deathmatch levels which we then were to play on Sleepy's QW server afterwards. Didn't happen, though. Scampie and than are to blame and will have to make up for it by submitting maps for the next pack! ;)
I had to do reality things yesterday :(
(again why I say just picking a theme for the week and letting people map as they have time is best) are from the horrific "Aftershock for Quake" pack...
I used to play that a bit when it came out (and I was a lot younger), but I reinstalled it late last year to see if it was still good. It wasn't. What I think would work is to announce a list of restrictions for the week.
Like: A) Use only knave.wad B) No grunts, no knights C) Must include a quad Stuff like that, you know? Then you have a week to build something that fits the requirements. Scampie and I are to blame? You should have come up with a more inspiring theme! It's your fault :P
I like the idea of having a list of restrictions that are announced for the week's speed mapping event. A week is a long time if you are single and unemployed or a student, but when you are working or have a family, it's not *that* long. Especially now there are less people involved in the Q1 mapping scene, and we're just as distributed as we ever were, having no strict time and allowing maps to be made with whatever time you happen to have during the week is good I think. A) only use ID1 wad
B) mix base and medieval/metal/wizard design elements and or monsters C) include a quad seems good to me! How does that sound? Watch me not follow any of those hahaha and when? lets fix a date.... monday the 22nd? or sooner - whatever works best... and gets the most attendees, i guess...
Alternatively we can use willem's restrictions, or others somebody wants to compose
just let us know I think.
id1 and knave are a little obvious... Would be awesome to see something very underused, like DKT3 or kingpin... That would be fine with me. Could someone upload a wc 3.3 version for me. I have had no luck converting textures.
Also open to alternatives depending n what people prefer. http://www45.zippyshare.com/v/56968741/file.html
Hopefully that should work, I used to us WC3.3 a lot before TB came out. I second that. I prefer those. I was already thinking of using some WITH the fury textures
It's always the same, lots of suggestions but no real decision and eventually no one maps at all. The successful phases of speedmapping in the past went down because someone took the lead and made clear announcements. Not "hey, let's" or "what about", but SM169 - theme: make a map using at least two textures from Knave, DKTe3, Rubicon2 and Fury. Send it in by Monday morning. Bam!
Ok, I have made a screenshot of one of the speedmap packs for you -
http://s9.postimg.org/hrv0nlmof/smqx11.jpg for - http://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/smqx11_pack.html I can make more of these if you wish, I can't send you pictures though cause I can't find your email address anywhere. :P You could correctly guess Spirits email. Trust me. First logical thing to spring to mind is it.
Who else is in?
Mine is built but needs to be lit, will be sorting that Monday. Rule recap; Rubicon textures Must include a quad Deadline Monday They can be sent to me if nobody else wants the job. this was going to happen... doubt I could make anything worth playing in just 2 days. To be honest though I'm not a fan of the rubicon set (yeah I know that's probably going to get me killed around here)
And it's fun to just throw stuff together :)
I'm not that big on the speedmapping, but it seems to be about trying stuff out and having fun mapping for a short while. It doesn't need to be awesome or perfect, just done. I've scratched up a little something...
I really can't guarantee completion by Monday. It might be garbage TBH. And real life is being an asshole. But I,ll try to find a few hours to work on something. Fifth don't be like that, there really isn't super high expectations and it really isn't a competition. We know you can make good maps, just have fun with t.
If you do too much work you get accused of 'Turtle-mapping'.
it's completely from scratch. Besides, I thought a turtle map was a map made in a week?
I could make it suck if you want, it doesn't look bad to me.. I also think that by Monday it very quickly. You can not do anything good
ps. Ribicon 2 is "jf2.wad" ? we used to make these maps in 100 minutes. Sometimes they didn't even have lights in them.
"Sometimes they didn't even have lights in them."
I could spend 100 minutes deliberating over a cube... ;) Nah I'm doing some serious copy/paste action here. I looked at this thread again, forgot that the map needs to have a quad in it. I think I know where I throw it.
made a hyperdetailed start area that I haven't gotten around to lighting.
Will give it a second treatment tomorrow. I give up, I really can't get it to compile properly and I can't get the collision to work on the terrain. Here's what I had though -
http://s15.postimg.org/692dpwnaz/speedmap1.jpg http://s22.postimg.org/et56wdav5/speedmap2.jpg And the http://depositfiles.com/files/sgiknj9nk Maybe some of it will be useful to someone. The idea was that you get the silver and gold keys and then take a joyous elevator to hell... The elevator isn't done at all but the rest of the level is done. Time!
I can't do anything with mine until Monday anyway - so it might well not be lit ;) Load this map at your own risk, wear safetygear dont have two eyes open at once and send away wife and kids to a safeplace
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm169_orbs.rar https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/103186490/sm169_scampie.zip
roughly 100min map, it sucks CHANGELEVEL TARGETS SM169_NEGKE YOU BETTER MAKE A MAP NEGKE Obviously I'm waiting for Negke's map.
It's been a pretty healthy turnout this time - 7 maps and counting (Orbs made two). You're not seriously including my map in this are you? There isn't and exit, the collision on the terrain doesn't work properly... I mean it looks ok but it's broken!
I can take it out if you prefer, but speedmaps aren't supposed to be finished.
Do you want me to remove it? Turtle it instead. It'd be nice to add some detail to mine and even the Rubicon enemies... but maybe I'll save that for a later project.
So, the pack is ready unless anyone else is finishing one - ? Fifth Elephant - ? I'll make one! Give me till 6:10pm GMT.
Fifth - don't be daft, that's what speedmapping is all about! :) Or just put an exit in and re-submit. I may come back to it, but I have a bunch of other maps that will be taking precedence. It was a fun little experiment (and it taught me that I can map quite quickly if I set my mind to it, even if I did create about a million holes and two dozen misshapen brushes in the process)
a chain map btw... 1 week for the build, a unified theme and then get the whole thing stitched together somehow.
I think if we're giving a week to make the chain sections we'd have to set some more limits or define what would be involved.
Eg focus on smaller areas with more detail? or larger areas with established gameplay scenarios... Than, Xen, who else did gluing? -- any input on that aspect? I'd be interested, obviously, but probably not in the job of gluing... I also like the idea of releasing the chain colmponents and having a number of people taking a crack at gluing, and seeing the ways in which they differ. Vigil has been trying to get people to make Rubicon 2 themed sections for a chain map for months now.
Solution to fitting the single maps together could be XYsize restriction
and defining portals for the other maps to to take over. Like doorsize , thicknessand and position XYZ. in these kinds of speed map things then some crazy person could stick them all together... not saying I'd do it but I'm always a big fan of people including their
I think I'll be doing something in Rubicon2, but a bit bigger than speed/turtle mapping.
Not longer than a month total though. who cares about broken stuff in speedmaps? he/she should play some older packs then...
I liked the 100 minutes rule. And here's the zipfile for anyone who's very impatient: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3sw5am2rrsa3vr/sm169.zip
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rickysm169_ijed.zip (for ijed)
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/rickysm169.zip (everyone else, these all had quoth enabled in my game, even though only Drew used it) Mine supports skill settings - you were on normal :)
Also noticed a recurring WC bug with the enforcer orientation at the end. They're supposed to face you and the shambler not, to provoke an infight-endfight. Ah well. Drew - Best looking of the bunch, had secrets as well. Had to do a circuit of the atrium to get the NG when I was on full nail ammo, which felt weird. The end was a surprise, although the quad helped.
FifthElephant - Nice, shame about the collision issues. I liked the crampy labyrinth. A quick fix for the rock pillars would have been making them func_wall, which should have fixed the hull generation. jackfapoff - (No idea if that's your proper name, sorry) Nice, although a step on every tower so the monsters could get out would have been good. Could have done with more ogres or vores sniping the player from up high as well. GTG, more comments later. I made the rock pillars func_walls in one version. Still got bad collision problems. I have found that most collision issues disappear when it compiles without the "reached occupant" error, unfortunately there are so many leaks that I just would never have had time to plug the holes
I didn't like the rubicon set at first but I have to admit it grew on me after I worked with it. Maybe I'll do a proper one in the future. ;) http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm169.rar
and a demo toget thumbs up,unfortunatly you dotn see that in the demo i forgot that the intermission screen in a demo is not the same while actualy playing,soif you want to get that thumbs up you will still have to beat it on nightmare (on easy the thumb stays down :P) my favorite of the pack was drew's, ijed looked cool to but i could only get it to run in rmq, and that runs awefull for me to awefull to do a double grenadejumpto that goldkey :) hmm
ricky your demo cuts out for me after you die... oh well... Orbs... wow, haha! I walked right into that one! Should I have made the biosuit the secret, instead of the MH? Also, does fog not automatically set in for everyone else in mine? or dont have the portal at the megahealth, it only uses 16 health (without armor) to get it f you woudl have to swim up again it woudl use a lot more + no shortcut
I made a little map yesterday based on stuff discussed on irc, but then derped on a hack and stopped. Turned out the solution was too simple for me to notice. So here it is, basically a Fuck you Scampbler gimmick.
isn't there a teleporter trick which lets you flip the player over? You could complete a level one way up, then get to the end, flip upside down, and then come back along the ceiling!
... you need to flip the map, not the player. Even if the player flips, he is on the floor, walking with the head.
I think you can do that in Unreal by having two rooms with a portal at the top of each... but I don't think you can do it in Quake...
I thought of that recently, and the problem is that the controls are reversed.
You could just flip those as well, bu that's QC work. Zippie used the teleport rotate trick in his level "Stampot" in the first quake 100 brush competition.
I don't think the teleporter trick can flip the player completely. Even if you set the z angle to 180, his view will only be titled by 45 degrees. And changing x and y only messes up the movement.
There's been at least one inverted-themed event: SM132. Sm159_negke, more than inverted world, is invertable world. It's another way to use the idea. It's the fourth option. What trick have you used?
By the way, very impressive map. Sm132_omus is closer to the idea i had for an inverted world, even though only the tower and the passage are inverted. Well, seeing that the idea have already been used, is better to think for another one for the next SMP. Sandbox
Multi-exit map The big tree layout: you begin in the centre and have branches from that. The exit is in the entrance The hole Forest (Earth or alien-like planet) Dig site Underwater Liquid rising Limited entities map Black lights Labyrinth And to make the post bigger, a compiled list of themes posted through this thread: City Beach Islands Bridges Wooden Construction Modern Architecture Origami Desert Half-Life Mountain Indiana Jones Cliffside Graveyard Western Inverted Cathedral/Castle Necropolis on the moon Elderworld theme park Shrimp Pinhata Shamblair Witch Project Cyber Diarrea Economic Crisis Fuck Low Cost Companies Disintegration Black Holes Hole of Blacks (if you are gays) Shamblers Festival Vores Party Ogres Dinner Zombie Flesh Map made around a single texture Teleporter madness Monster free Canyon Terrain Editor map Offworld Site Infested with Nano Base-Building Bots Unspeakable Contraption Planet (the whole planet is one evil contraption, ie Necros' latest map River Styx of Star Fluid Cyclopean Architecture (yes, for like the 3rd time) Drowning, Stabbing, Burning TRON Mapping impotence 80's arcade tribute func_pushable (hipnotic progs) Wild West Extreme temperatures Caught in a slipgate Medieval themed spaceship Otherworldly Color: Azure, Ebon, Rust or Flesh Halls of the Scrag God Prisons of Nix Anti Light Where Ogres Bathe Neo Knave The Tunnels Between the Voids Maybe it is too much information at a time. After looking through 5 years of posts , what i got is that the only thing that works is say a theme and a date, not proposing things. I liked one of the themes Cocerello posted in his list sooo...
THEME: Islands. DUE DATE: The pack will be released Monday May 20th, post it here or email me or whatever before then. 1 week map, 1 day map, 100 minute map... whatever you'd like to do. Alright first idea goes to the bin
-its a lot of work (atleastfor me) -with my experience with the coloseum i made the other week i probably hit some limits with the way i construct buildings with tons of arches -just found out there already is some fort boyard videogame anyway -sun is shining lets go outside! That's the best if you don't have time or motivation. And, who knows, it can get fun later and you regain motivation to expand it. ;)
I'll be waiting to see your amazing works. Okay I'll see if I can get something together. Never done a speedmap before so I have a few questions.
Islands or Island? In other words, at least two? Or is a singular island something allowed? Due Sunday (19th) at Midnight? Or Monday (20th) at noon, or when?? Time limit: Self imposed!?!? hrm, okay. Is the intention to have the map completed in all one chunk of time or just made before the due date? And Rules?: Start from scratch or can I use existing stuff from my ideas.map? Standard progs.dat, standard quake only? Readme file required? Or just a brief description that Spirit will put in an sm170.txt? Oh and http://speedq1.leveldesign.org/ is a dead link. Island or Islands, doesn't matter (themes are not the most strictly enforced things)
Due Monday whenever I wake up and put the pack together. Timelimit is whatever you want. Basically the stance I'm taking is that "Anything under a week counts as 'speedmapping'". The idea is that you should start from scratch. Use standard Quake, or at least a very common mod like Quoth... the pack will only include Speedmapping is just to encourage people to map and try cool things. Not being that strict about all the rules! Timelimit is whatever you want. Basically the stance I'm taking is that "Anything under a week counts as 'speedmapping'".
This is intended so that people can put something together whenever they want and around their schedule. If you have the whole week free and want to spend the whole time making an amazing speedmap, go for it (though, maybe you should just release it as a proper release!), if you want to spend 20 minutes a night for the week, or just 100 minutes on saturday, those are fine too! In the end, the idea is just "GO MAP". http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm170_pack.zip
2 maps, sm170_digs and sm170_scampie negke promised me a map today, but apparently fucked up :_( always a good theme, that one.
Although I'm working a FUCK TON the week before that, so no promises whatsoever. planned a bit longer route & some more secrets but at somepoint the bugs and errors started pouring in and it became a rescue mission. Tried to keep it easy but still somewhat of a not to frustrating challenge. And the secrets are for those who like to up the challenge a bit. (the free void teleport makes one very easy to do cheap, but else some might find the basic challenge to frustrating)
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm170_orbs.bsp Orbs I couldn't finish your previous map with the quoth stuff in one run. Had to use save games actually. Did you complete it legitimately in your demo? I'm impressed.
I can get to the third jump pad but the map feels sadistic. You are an amazing player (love watching your demos) but as a designer you just punish players with little reward. I crashed into the first ramp for ages and then I realized I had to jump before the edge which is not how people jump. The second jump is easy because it is just skipping but the third I have no idea. After about 5 minutes of frustration I gave up.
It seems like one has to jump at the point of the arrow. I did not make it up that vertical part with enough speed. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/demos/sm170_orbs-May-22-2013-223140-SpiritQuaddict.dz (10002 I guess, should play in bengt's glquake).
to make the third jump, you have to do the air control trick where you jump, press the strafe key in the direction you want to turn and then smoothly turn your camera in that direction as well.
if you turn the camera smoothly (but quickly) enough, you preserve all your forward velocity along your new direction. will upload demos later, but as I said in demo, not for me. I am a mediocre player and an absolutely terrible speedrunner trickjumper etc, so not my jam. but thanks for contributing anyway!
If mandel even says its hard (he's a better player then me imo)i geuss i have to make it a bit easier even. Its kind of hard to feel how hard these thigns are to other people becasue of a coupel things:
-I playtest the map a lot while mapping so by the time its finished i already know the standard moves pretty well. - a small difference in skill can make somethign impossible to one, compeltly boring to someone else. -physics challenges might be different on other clients and maybe even still slightly depending on hardware But I'm no tgiving up yet to make a map like this wich can be both and fun and challenging for the whole family:) Mandel im going to pretend i never read that question, I was one of those few in the quake peleton who never doped* and to start cheating when the scene is near dead would be strange. The big Epo era kinda is the same as the highdays of quake1 speedrunning, and i think quite some people visited suspicious doctors:) I tried to run it but I had to use savegames to get a complete demo. Guess one reason may be I didn't even have a bind for that weapon before your map forced me to make one...
I couldn't upload my map for SM170, due to the loose of Internet connection for days. It is OK if i submit it for a subsequent Speedmap Pack?
I'll go now to try those three maps. I'm interested into seeing how much they differ from mine. After watching your demo of your map i couldn't believe what i was seeing. You are a GOD of Quake.
I was recording a DEMO when playing it, but passed on that after the 10th minute of attempts. The map is great and i like challenge, but for me it will probably take me hours to complete. Good thing there is a teleport at the bottom, if it were a instant death fall that would piss many players. Getting to the third ''island'' were easy, but getting to the fourth took me at least 5 minutes. I almost don't know a thing about jumping tricks: i can't use bunny-jumping and i'm bad at rocket/grenade jumping; so i had to find the tricks intuitively. I suppose someone expert at jumping tricks could finish this in less than 10 minutes. only negke sent me a map this week (I didn't get around to one myself)... and it was technically for last week's theme!!!
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm170_negke.zip so... I guess sm171 is now "Bricks", due Mon Jun 3rd. Any 'big' maps submitted late will be included then too. I want to make sure I hit a wide variety of themes. Sometimes they are gameplay themes, sometimes they are style themes... this is a texture theme.
I'll see what happens.
I have something started for BIG but it's pretty gross right now - no lighting etc. I will work on it a bit and see what happens! GF/kid out of town for the week, but I'm working A LOT. http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm171_pack.zip
news will be posted whenever shambler stops being lazy. [15:49] <ShamblR> mr scampie
[15:49] <ShamblR> cockface scampie more like [15:54] <@MrScampie> literally writing the news post now, scum [15:58] <@MrScampie> ShamblR go approve my news YOU FELL ASLEEP 10 MINUTES AFTER INSULTING MRSCAMPIE!? Scampie, could you please continue the good old tradition of adding readme files to the packs? Those include things like the theme. Check any old pack for a template where you can just edit a few lines.
http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm172_orbs.bsp
It isnt realy finished yet wanted to add some alternative routes and some secrets to make an easy alternative for some of the moves, and even a little more details, but im not sure if i will have any time tomorrow for more mapping http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm172_digs.zip
Required Quoth2. Else "stack overflow" in standart progs.dat You suceeded in making a very annoying map! Discharged a zillion times actualy should write a select shotgun, +attack alias for it but that would be cheating:)
http://www.quaketastic.com/upload/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm172_pack.zip
I started working on mine and then decided it was pretty shit and just gave up... so it's unlit and boring. orbs is right that digs' map was the most annoying thing ever lol. orbs, I just suck at your map. I just failed again time was to short to make it family friendly.Jump one and two are pretty easy, falling through the door is a lot easier then doing it of a boost, but this is just a time penalty doors open after 10 secs.
The third jump is just lined out bad/hard. on max boost you fly over the middle platform,when you try totemper it its very easy to get stuck on the slope and then you loose all speed so you cant hop over the gap. I shoudl have lowered the landings a bit and maybe widen them. The last jump isnt that hard but not family friendly, and to do it as intended with fullspeed from the previous boost is very hard. Il have a look at your map then upload demo digs had a trick i only managed with a bit lower hfr, tomany discharges to try it fullspeed(you can strafe onto the explodobox in the last room, thus skipping those two buttons & having to walk around all to get to the safe spot)
scampies was very easy to get it one sec slower but to get this one i had to try for 20 mins:),trick was to shotty the left box so the 2nd door doesnt break so i can sneak past the baddies http://members.upc.nl/verorber/sm172.rar only Cocerello made a map, and I couldn't download it from his email (I need access to your google drive? idk)
anyway, I'm becoming very uninclined to keep running weekly speedmaps, I haven't even really felt the desire to map for them recently anyway... if anyone else wants to pick up the slack and run things, please do. I could swear i made it so you could access it without the Google drive. I'll go check it now.
It's a pity you are resigning, i'll miss the speedmaping sessions, both to map and to play them. I was using them to test things and improve for proper maps. On the brighter side, now i have more time for the maps. :) Busy the last few weeks, (and was only a sporadic speedmapper in any case) my only quake time going into a project born of a SM.
Was a good run scamps, cheers. Things'll pick up again. might be a bit to often, in my case i read the news, have work during the week and slowly let inspiration come until the genie comes out of a bottle, then in the weekend i have to choose between things, and quite often i realise i dont have enough time to do all i want, this weekend it was finaly good weather so no chance :)
but I found out about it ~2 days after it started, then it took me 2 days to realize I need a
This week I have mostly been populating an e-commerce site with hundreds of different types of car tyres. Needless to say, I haven't felt like mapping. Or gaming. Or going near a computer. But I'll be back on it soon.....
Yeah, if a task looks boring as fuck, it can usually be scripted. Huge time saver when you get used to doing it because it'll be the first thing you start thinking about when you get a boring task.
Speedmapping is as informal as it gets.
Just say you'd like to host a session, say what the theme is and provide a date and email for submission. :) be interesting to see someone use a theme in a way not intended.
Like say making a tech-looking map using a gothic or metal theme, or a gothic style base map.. :) Theme: dungeon
due date: 7/5/13 e-mail me at the_happy_friar_planet@yahoo.com subject: speed mapping Will be very busy this next week with work, and moving, and preparing for a teaching assignment... So what I'm saying is I'm probably in.
But no promises. I tend to interpret themes as wide as i feel like, and i realy liked (i think) negke's interpretation of "spaceship" (no clue wich speedmap session it was)
to post a date mm-dd-yy, i was liek wtf that deadlien is a month ago:)
It's like inches, rather than metric - they're just quirky that way.
Am I right? cm is kinda quirky. ;)
I do write my dates a lot as yy-mm-dd because years ago I worked for a guy from Poland and he said he did it that way so when you view files in DOS or Win95 it's always in date order. Only 4 days left and I'm still learning trenchboom! I was hoping for a new speedmap session.
You'll get from me at least one map for this session, the one i did for sm173 survival horror, and probably one more dungeon themed. I do prefer the date for this to be on mondays, as i can submit it even if i have problems with internet on my computer, but it won't hurt to have one on a sunday. but I should probably bite the bullet and just make this one into a proper map - or at least a turtlemap.
You would rather have the submission date be a Monday or the announcement date a Monday?
some day the third world might even adapt the metric system.
that it is related to how in most of speedmaps there is combat against large groups, or fast paced combat, but it is Trinca the only one that can answer that.
About the main topic, as long as it is before Christmas Eve, i can join a speedmap session. If you want this for the unfilled date in the advent calendar, please make it the 17th... Otherwise it would get in too late.
Someone would need to write a snippet about speedmapping. Preferably someone who has no other post in the calendar. Would be better as a longer project and compiled as a full episode. (My plan was to release an episode at a time or all at onceas they did with the doom version)
just think of the "Beyond Belief" pak , its "quake the way id did".
ie. the map that could easily fit to the original game. Misaligned textures, square rooms etc. Basically all of the maps from 96-97. Not necessarily misaligned textures - it doesn't have to look bad on purpose! Just simple(r) or straightforward brushwork, not excessive detailing or overly modern designs.
The DTWID project went a little crazy analyzing the styles of the different mappers... layout, geometry, texturing, items, monster placement. I wouldn't say that a QTWID project needs to go down the same rabbit hole, but it was interesting!
I took the Quake The Way id Did theme: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm173_skacky.zip
This is also my first released map for Quake. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/33279452/daz_sm173skakcky.rar
Didn't see that coming :D Cool map though, got tons of infighting to occur on the next run through. Found the quad secret but no luck on the second. That's not a speedmap, nor 'the way id did'. But it looks really nice and I think you should release it as standalone instead!
Well I made it in only 2 days, though I'm pretty new to this concept here. I decided to do some more detailing compared to the original maps (I roughly have twice as many brushes). Not sure about releasing it standalone though, it's very small.
Nice demo, DaZ. Too bad you got squashed by that trap, heh. They are a lot more forgiving in McGee's maps but I decided to make it faster this time. If you're fast enough you can lure the Fiend waiting behind the triangular door inside and get out, killing it in the process, but it's hard to do. I'm almost finished my card for sm173 which started 2 days ago. Upload it tomorrow, December 18th, afternoon.
It's true it's not very good compared to the rest. I think a wind tunnel leading to the arena would have been a better solution, so you can't really escape and abuse the Shamblers (though I would need to put some cover, like a central altar or something).
You were so close to discovering the second secret too, it can be heard somewhere. The final arena should have maybe locked you into the room with the shambler, no need for wind tunnels. (1 wind tunnel wouldn't have fit in with the theme IMO)
I was looking for the secret near the end but I thought you could jump across to the left room where the zombie fight arena occurs. I think that would have been a nice place for a secret (you can reach with a jump I just tried it). I wasn't really looking to do a lava dip so late in the map, I thought it might have been under an earlier lift though since it felt a bit weird to have lava under that lift. Great map, I agree with Daz, this could have easily been a separate release. The wind tunnel idea was because this map was meant as a something that could fit in Quake's episode 3, and two maps use these (e3m4 and e3m5, although e3m4 only uses one and it's hidden). I still feel like the ending room comes in too abruptly with this small corridor.
I may re-release it in the coming days with a modified ending, standalone this time, and probably with a secret area in the arena. A Thunderbolt hidden there could come in handy for the final bit. As other has said, very nice little map Skacky!
And your right that the ending needs some modification. I will look forward to your next version and next map, may it be soon! would have been a good project, didn't really get any responses for a collaboration like I was expecting.
I have almost finished the first map in the project too, just a couple of tweaks to make (only took me a week on and off) Neat maps by skacky and digs. On DOOMer's map I got stuck in a secret area and couldn't get out which was annoying.
@Mandel
What kind of secret area you could not get out? In 2 of 3 exit by opening the wall-door shots. It was one by a watery area. inside the secret there were bars which weren't open, but seemed to block entrance to another room with some goodies. I didn't see any way out because the map was dark!
There need to shoot in one place on the wall for the opening of another hiden corridor. Bars and button behind them - not functional, just a decorations.
I updated archive with my map, fix some monsters placement in solid and fix one entity. http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm173_doomer.zip Make a newspost about this SM so I don't forget to dl and play it when I eventually have time! And you know, so more people play it generally!
please. but my favorite dream is to make an insane/horror level
something like visiting an abandoned asylum to search for a longlost friend &) hence the name "return to castle cuckoo" ... i suppose i can put one.
SM 175: Theme : Cuckoo's (Koohoo's) castle. Deadline : 9th of June, 10:00 a.m.(GMT). Or better, do a mini episode with several 100 minute speedmaps.
For the puny mortals, the deadline. fuck my english
there are two unpropely titles for a future themes "It's Been In The Last Thief Game Already " "fuck my english" "there are two unpropely titles " fuck and making it a weekend project thing instead of a 1 hour map like I usually do
Skill 3, all kills, no deaths.
Holy crap that was intense, and beautiful. https://www.dropbox.com/s/76sc3ew58v5mdkk/skacky_sm175digs.zip that's one of the best speedmaps I've played in a while, sorry no demo. I did it first time on normal though.
Holy Fuck that was a gorgeous speedmap, route choices, lovely combat sets, plenty of funny infighting (spawns vs hell knights) and such a lovely design style. More of this please!
http://scampie.net/files/maps/sm175_scampie.zip
made over fri/sat/sun, bigger than your usual speedmap, could potentially release it as a full map with some more cleanup (especially in the rocky bits) skill settings are supported, most of you will likely want skill2 Amazing map Scampie, with super cool designs and encounters. The maon room is great and the last arena is really cool! The shamblers are well used too. This session keeps delivering!
Skill 3, all kills, 2/4 secrets, no deaths. https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtf3xnvvg6rdoo6/skacky_sm175_scampie.zip Demo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/68ca24zr8hof07j/skacky_sm175doomer.zip
Skill 3, 30 kills, 0 secrets, no deaths. Only played Doomer's map so far because I am waiting on the pack. Used Engoo with "Low" resolution pixel paradise. Great map, felt like a good old mid/early 90s game. I'd love to play many episodes with maps like this.
I have a speedmap for this session as well, started it yesterday, but I need some more time to finish it today.
Guess I'll wait til the pack comes out, so as to have what will apparently be a series of awesome experiences, judging by above comments!
Nicest map so far, here are demos. Tough one.
Probably no one will mind waiting one more day for this pack. But don't take too much, or Sock's entry will grow into a proper release from a speedmap.
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/speed_maps/sm175_cocea.7z
Made it too big and had to cut it down by half, so there is some minor parts that don't make sense, but it is completely playable. I'll wait for the pack to play the rest of entries. Scampie's map is buggy as hell. I falled under the floor, and the monstrers were are messed up, during the first half. I wasn't able to return on solid ground, even after using the noclip command.
This map could be great, but the bug is killing it totally, texan style ! I'm playing in nightmare mode with QuakeSpasm on OS X. I have no idea what could be wrong or why, it works fine in Quakespasm on Windows and no one else had an issue... do you have a demo? are you playing with any mod on that could also be breaking it? I'd love to know what is wrong so I can fix it
I just need to finish off some lighting and entities in my pixel map, it should be ready later on today for the map pack.
I made a second one, so, please, if you can wait some hours, i can promise you that i can deliver you a way better map than the first one I already released.
Also if no one has played my first map, i'll take some minutes for some bugfixing in the first map and link the two of them together. *Fifhtelephant, are you going to release one you too? Yes. I'm not interested to make real speedmap. It was fun 10 years ago. Now we have become accustomed to better quality maps. Maybe it makes sense to change the concept speedmap?
Obviously I've had to catch up on E3 and game of thrones but I'm bashing a level together now that should be done in a few hours hopefully.
This is probably going to be a nice pack :) This sounds like the DirectQ issue, but since you're using QuakeSpasm, I don't know...
In DirectQ it's common (at least for me) for the gound to sink beneath the visible brushes after playing for a while. It's an engine problem rather than the map, and I know MH spent some time trying to find it. As I remember it, MH said it was actually a problem with Quake rather than DirectQ in particular. It just seems to appear sooner with DirectQ. Possibly it could happen in QuakeSpasm as well. Anyway... Use noclip to get out of the ground, make a savegame, restart the engine, and start playing from the savegame. Scampie making an impure not-actually-a-speedmap proves conclusively that the paradigm has shifted. What would Xen say?
whenever it was that I tried to get speedmapping rolling again, I specifically tried to make the interpretation of what a 'speedmap' is a lot more open.
we are not all teenagers with tons of free time anymore, and Quake may not be the only thing we all want to do with our time. letting the timing be open allows people to make whatever they have the time to make. if you only want to make a 1 hour map, great, if you want to spend the week, fine! they are both pretty speedy compared to a standard map that people take a month+ to make. the goal of speedmapping shouldn't even really be about the limitation of time, despite the name, but about driving creativity and experimentation. if the time limitation helps in those regards, then great, self apply what fits for you. plus, speedmapping allowing designers to not care if they aren't putting their best foot forward. no one should feel like they have to make a showcase map when speedmapping. maybe we should just rename this to a 'mapping jam' I tested briefly (up to the first silver key) and didn't see anything weird with Scampie's map on Quakespasm OS X. If you could post more info/demos/screenshots/saves etc. that'd be great.
excited to play this pack! busting my balls to finish this map in the next hour.
Probably will be done by then actually. Just doing some small testing. But it feels so right ;) You guys are finally starting to map at my pace!
Will there eventually be an all encompassing pack? Please let me know. Here is my map entry for the pack. Enjoy.
... says that have a map near completion in the next hours, I'll upload the mappack.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/l0kkv1tomo8p3rg/skacky_kaahoo.zip
Skill 3, all kills, 4 secrets, no deaths. <skacky> amazing map sock <skacky> I was a bit confused with the gold key door <skacky> but other than that it's stunning <skacky> really cool encounters everywhere, excellent design <skacky> the strength rite room was brutal but so much fun! <skacky> and that scrag massacre, excellent Your map is absolutely SUPERB ! Thanks dude !
You should do some more of that style. Realy great ! Nice lighting, "classic" layout is well done, your aesthetics are again suberb! Indeed!
Here is a demo of me derping and dying, but i had fun! Thank you! Your map is quite nice in terms of layout and ambush setup. Could use more highlighting, some text on doors and keysymbols and such stuff.
But what do i know.. Here is a demo. Playing again now, i died terribly 1st time:) What command should we enter at the start process to use the DMSP mod and Sock's mod at the same time ?
I would like to add some frenetic action mess on this map, with more monsters to hug and love. @Skacky, thanks for the demo, a pleasure as always seeing you destroying a nightmare selection of monsters. :)
@mfx, it was cool to see you try the puzzle side of the map first. It feels like you play with a keyboard! crazy! :) @Barnak, you can just drop the map file in your dmsp directory, the map works fine with a vanilla quake setup. I included a pak file because it has a skybox and I wanted to make sure people setup wateralpha. Why no one has implemented a worldspawn key for wateralpha in modern quake clients is crazy. Ok, it's working, thanks. But the results are weird at best. Many monsters are spawning at some unattainable or unreliable spots.
And I'm unable to reproduce the no_floor issue with Scampie's map. My issue was strange : it never occured to me before. Proposals for theme:
- Colorblind. Can be very crazy. - Remake of the first map you ever did. Tronyn proposed this at Quaddicted months ago and i think can be interesting. - DoE and ring of invisibility. A bit of a clone of sm169's theme, but it is also the two things that have been used at mapping the least. If that is the theme i have one already, that did 14 years ago, it is a DM one. Is this what you were thinking when you say illusions?
Haha. Not necessarily imply func_illusionary for theme "illusion". We could show more imagination than just use this entity.
That would be hard and challenging. Apart from some examples (sm175) where there are some turtlemaps, most are in the middle, neither 100 minutes map or a full week map. For example mine took two days (16 hours the first (8 spent on the damn caves and surrounding the valley terrain brushes) and 6-8 for the second).
I often took longer than two hours myself, but always did the map in a single session. If anything, this should be the compromise.
These more sophisticated maps would be better off as a small-scale community project rather than a speedmap pack. Although it might as well be a case of motivation and expectation. A different premise - doing a bigger "speedmap" feels like less pressure than a small "normal" map even if both would be pretty much the same.
A community project is something good, but as far as i see, in this community, the things closer to that are chain speedmaps and huge episodes projects (nehahra). Isn't it?
What you were considering as a comunity project? Something like sm175, made into an small episode or just by adding an start and end map, but better organized and with communication between the members to make the maps similar? my last speedmap for sm175 was done in a single session. Granted that session was like 8 hours long at least (with food breaks).
100 minutes is crazy, I'm sure I could do it but it would be a pile of crap ;) Map Jamming has suddenly, but also completely, destroyed the speedmapping tradition which flourished for so many years in this community.
Any 'speedmaps' that might be made will inevitably be so only in name. That being said I suggest the next speedmap theme be "Honey jam runoff". I doubt speedmapping has been killed off by the mapping jam. If anything speedmapping is probably going to be speedier, like it used to be.
As the jam has stopped flowing, I thought I'd suggest a good old fashioned speed map event.
The theme is 'quantity over quality' as in a previous session, but as per usual is totally optional. Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th. No theme this time?
Well, i have the map i did for sm170 around somewhere, maybe i could submit it for this session. I won't tell you for sure if i submit it. After submitting the last two without betatesters and unfnished, i won't submit this one if i am not sure it doesn't have any major issues. By the way, Drew, as you probably know, in this events, at least half of the people that submit something at the end, haven't said a thing in the thread (i don't know about Terrafusion). Thats nice Generic, but what I really want is for you to submit to me.
Coco, there is an optional theme - quantity over quality. Doomer, good to know, hope you have fun with It! It's one of the rules for speedmapping events, but if i think about it, that is also probably the rule we break the most in speedmapping, so i can see why you put it out and say that it is optional, apart from the fact that the theme on speedmaps by tradition was always optional, we just got accustomed to follow it.
Looking at it from a different perspective it can lead to an hordish combat map or a big with almost no detail map, and make that the theme. Hmmm And lastly, Look at the original quantity over quality SM pack. Xen did a really nice one for that.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cotc6u7ln68gws2/fitz0000.tga?dl=0
Crappy non-permanent link that OTP and others will hate, because I am lazy and also, like, whatever. It's 4 am. I'll try to find time to make another one for the 28th, but we'll see! You said
Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th. so i thought you did to avoid granularity in the release and show all together to the community. Send your maps to my email by Aug. 28th but feel free to post pictures of your maps - like I did above - whenever you like.
Sorry for the lack of clarity there. It's just a screenshot. No need for clarity this time, it was me that jumped to conclusions too fast and thought it was the map, as screenshots are uncommon in this thread.
Looks good, depending of the layout and the side from which the player enters, those dogs will need a trigger_monterump. From just that sceeenshot i think it strays a bit from the theme, not that mine is better in that regard. By the way, i played sm67_xen. It is good, and probably the one that matches the theme in sm67 the most. The idea of using setpieces and modules to make a speedmap isn't new for me, but it is always a good reminder as a different type of way to achieve quality. @Drew, you can use http://i.imgur.com/ for screenshots instead Dropbox.
Screenshot of the my sm176 map. I'm completed base layout yesterday and started make light today. On this moment map isn't contains any monsters on map. http://i.imgur.com/TxnIQn8.jpg http://www.quaketastic.com/files/screen_shots/q70v05b.jpg
This is the one i did for sm170 and couldn't release back them. MY first speedmap, by the way. My betatesters have a different opinion and liked the crystals, but for me they still don't look like the light is coming from within them, mainly because the bottom is still dark, but i hate this map and want to avoid working on it as much as possible, so the changes if there are some will be minor, very minor. try making the crystals use fullbright colors or using an external BSP for them so that you can light them correctly.
I know, those are the only two options i saw when thinking about a possible solution back then. But those are off limits of what is considered speedmapping, so i desisted on using them for this map. Anyway, thanks for the information.
I'll use them if i need crystals on a proper map. Currently it uses a system of 6-10 lights per crystal, depending on the length of the crystal. It's mainly because of the issue about delay 2 lights having an overbright area in the area closest to them in white light instead of the one given by the _color key. That causes that i need 4-8 colored lights to mask that white zone. Made dozens of tries on a test map with other delay values to eliminate those extra lights but the look is bad. The good point is that thanks to that i have a map with a room filled with many types of lighting that come from crystals for future maps. I heard that TyrUtils have the option for delay 5 lighrs, Which are the same as delay 2, but without that overbright area. I'll add that option to the other two. @Cocerello
Probably this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Time_Zone @Drew I'm will send my map to you in the some next hours. hope i did in time.
* DOOMer, then it is USA eastern time. It was incomplete like that. I slept less hours this night to submit it on time, because it took way more hours to compile than what i expected.
While re-reading my last message i noticed that it looks a bit intimidating. That was never my intention. I am not angry at you, Drew, not at all, rest assured.
I have maps from Cocerello and DOOMer. Any silent stragglers who still need another day? If not I will package and release this evening.
Every once in a while a number is skipped to make room for the badass chainmap that we're not working on.
That, or some hiccup happened. A SM107 map by generic is included in the SM109 pack. ok thank for the info.
Now I can say that I really got everything of Quake1 mapping scene.. now I can start playing ! (gulp#!#) I have a 10gigabyte folder full of Quake goodness ! with limited textures? Say 4 textures?
Something minimal, like a sky texture, a bright texture (for lights), and a dark texture and a lighter texture (for contrast)... For example - http://imgur.com/bnY9b4c It turned out people can't speedmap, so instead they now jammap - and so should you!
I'm merely suggesting that there may or may not be something released by then with cool new toys, which would be great for some jam mappery.
Holidays are a bit of an annoyance for sure though. Perhaps as a good stopgap someone could organize a simple weekend 'retrojam' to happen in Oct? Pick a weekend and just make some basic maps in a day or two.
speedmap sessions are officially dead and now is the reign of jams
I'm gonna miss them. Well, when i get my health, time and a computer back i'll try to promote them, or at least make some packs myself, as speedmapping is the thing that drove me for mapping the most in these last years. Don't be so quick to write off E4. There's something about it that still freaks me out. Probably the deep shadows, wandering fiends, and periods of silence broken only by the sound of monsters teleporting around, triggered by god knows what.
That while they're not random and ugly, a tight deadline would definitely help in recreating the production values of the original E4 maps.
I would say don't try to emulate the E4 production values, but try to capture the oldskool gameplay. The environment is the real enemy in E4 - lots of tricks, traps, and shadows. It really puts me on edge.
Zwiffle: Episode 4 is pretty diverse, you can do basically anything as long as it's kind of dark and there are power ups.
It's a weekend mapping thing, E4 inspired maps sounds simple and open enough of a theme. E4 jam where you ignore the real E4 and instead just work from the level titles. "The Nameless City" could own.
exec """\nfrom random import choice, randint\n\ndef funfunfun():\n scampiesuxx = ("Sewage","Elder","Nameless","Pain","Azure","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God")\n negkerulez = ("System","Shrine","Palace","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God","Atrium","City","Agony")\n spiritistehleader = ("of Despair","of Hate")\n maybeormaybenot = choice(("The ", ""))\n suxxx = choice(scampiesuxx)\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n while(suxxx == kkk):\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n if randint(0,5) == 0:\n jem = " "+choice(spiritistehleader)\n else:\n jem = ""\n \n return (maybeormaybenot+suxxx+" "+kkk+jem)\n \nfor x in range(12):\n print(funfunfun())\n"""
exec """\nfrom random import choice, randint\n\ndef funfunfun():\n scampiesuxx = ("Sewage","Elder","Nameless","Pain","Azure","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God")\n negkerulez = ("System","Shrine","Palace","Hell","Maze","World","Tower","God","Atrium","City","Agony")\n spiritistehleader = ("of Despair","of Hate")\n maybeormaybenot = choice(("The ", ""))\n suxxx = choice(scampiesuxx)\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n while(suxxx == kkk):\n kkk = choice(negkerulez)\n \n if randint(0,5) == 0:\n jem = " "+choice(spiritistehleader)\n else:\n jem = ""\n \n return (maybeormaybenot+suxxx+" "+kkk+jem)\n \nfor x in range(12):\n print(funfunfun())\n"""
The Sewage System of Hate
Elder God Nameless Hell God System The Nameless World The Elder Palace World City The Hell Maze of Hate Azure World The God Palace The World Tower Tower Atrium Maze Tower Tower Agony The Maze City The World Atrium The Sewage Palace Nameless Maze The God Shrine Pain Agony of Hate Elder City Sewage System Sewage City of Despair The Pain Atrium Kinda like Berlin?
Although I like E4, I'm not really interested/inspired to do a E4 jam at the moment - besides, "E4" seems too unspecific as a theme anyway. Also, Zwiffle must map, so we have to take all steps necessary to enable him! ...But will there ever be another speedmapping session? Because I would be interested in participating on IRC if it comes around.
I have a webcam now and might be interested in mapping something small-ish. I apologize for having a webcam in advance.
I could make next week a little something for vanilla Quake gameplay? not AD. Have any ideas about themes?
or does that deserve to be a turtle map?
examples of the style: http://artdiscovery.info/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/3-IMG_1871.jpg https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/04/81/37/0481372b1c349e671306db701166da48.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_OpzigNsZwIg/THVdZiTai0I/AAAAAAAACJ0/ZaekY5pK-sE/s1600/es-prentententoonstelling.jpg maps based off of the Quaddicted twitter feed?
There have been a few nice screenshots posted there recently. Escher it is. Interesting!
Good idea on changing the title of the thread for people noticing. At first didn't catched it and thought it was discussion for a new jam pack. I am having problems thinking of gameplay for that theme, but it is progressing. Probably bacause of not being able to map for the past two years. It is going to be good for mapping rehabilitation. My map.
http://digspt.ru/quake/sm177_digs.zip There is a problem with Darkplaces. For: "angles" "90 0 0" there is a reversal of the object in the wrong direction. In other engines displayed normally. Who else makes the map for this event? Cool map ! This map is very imaginative and innovative ! I felt very disturbed by the architectural orientations.
This theme is pretty "Quaky", in some way. There should be more often of these "twisted" and fucked up dimensions, in Quake. My criticisms : Maybe the light is too strong all across the map. Use some fog, maybe ? Try a version with a VERY STRONG fog. digs, does 89.9 or 90.1 fix it? you might be able to trick darkplaces while not affecting other engines.
I forgot to check if the idea i have is possible in Quake first, so now i have to change lots of things on it.
I expect to have it in around 24 hours, so it will be released later. I don't know if as a speedmap or not, time invested on it will decide. the deadline is this weekend digs!
I'm just half way there! Take your time.
I suggest to push the deadline for a few days (a week ?). Digs, your trees suck. (trees in Quake1 always suck anyway). I suggest that you change them for trees without any leaf. Or some weird evil twisted sculptures instead. Please, add more details ! ...since I've been stuck with a single map of Schlossher for months, but with the deadline being today, blech...
I think we can take a few more days. MadFox how much time you need to complete?
Cocerello, we will wait for you. Trees is difficult. I'm not sure what I can come up with something. Necros: I'll try your idea Barnak: I have tried to make the fog, but I did not like No, it does not work. I tried different combinations, "90.1 0 0", "270 0 180" and so on. But all in vain
About trees, try some strange useless machine-like sculptures. Two boxes and a few pipes...
Trees are indeed difficult, and are one of the things I'm still not sure on the most efficient way to render.
But there are many types of trees, some easier than others. You guys should start a topic about making nice trees for Quake1. Design, rendering, style, etc.
I will release my map for this SM event today evening. It remains to complete the placement of the monsters and finish some visual details.
Don't change anything aesthetically. Your map looks amazing, and the trees suit it perfectly.
don't worry about making it good and polished, its an speedmap, it should be short, hasty in construction, and rich in ideas, so rudimentary is good.
Usually when one gets to spend more than 6-8 hours on them they lose their speedmap flavour. For recent examples, go with sm171, sm172 and sm174 and avoid things like sm175 and sm176. Also, making it short and hasty makes it easier to complete maps and lowers the possibilities of it ending up forgotten on your hard disk, unfinished. * Digs. OK, expect it today, but can't say when exactly, i still haven't compiled it once, so i don't know if its going to be one of those that takes half a day in compiling. I'll keep you updated. I can't make the map in time, not soon either, so release the pack with just your map and DOOMer's, well, and Shamblernaut's if he appears.
I apologize for making you wait in vain. My entity stuff is sorta time consuming. but it really needs to be completed wholly for the concept to work and be playable.
My map is half way done. To turn it into a playable map it would need at least a week or more.
I'm not a speedmapper, in fact I hate it. My map for SM177
http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip The balance may be bad (yesterday I didn't have enough time to test through many runs on the map). The map fits the event theme is probably not 100%, map by `digs it turned out much better in this. digs. Your map is reminiscent of your earlier works from the series "Anomaly". I think that we wait for the map of Shamblernaut and make thread.
Others can then just give a link to them maps in the thread when finished work. Ok? http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip
I updated archive with my map (http://cacodemon.doomer.org/quake/sm177_doomer.zip). @digs I think, yes - wait for the maps of Shamblernaut and Cocerello . as is everything else about the map.
here it is: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rbiahbdwqmzuurd/sm177_shamblernaut.bsp?dl=0 I was testing a concept to see how it would play, turns out not great. drop down by any striped textures to walk on that plane. I said that i was resigning on submiting something for this session, but as seeing that there was time till DOOMer and Shamblernaut submitted theirs, it thought of doing something fast, and here you have.
It was so quick to make, compared with the other i was doing, that i added support for skill levels and experimented with some tricks for replayability. You can even get different weapons depending on how you play it. I am satisfied with it: it is not a great map and not as special as the one i was making, but i think its fun and its very speedmap-like, which was missing in most of my speedmaps. * Important to note: its for playing with QUOTH https://www.dropbox.com/s/5oa7wmoqcbvzw26/sm177_cocerello.zip?dl=0 By the way, wouldn't it be better to do like always from now on? Sending the maps to however proposed the session to pack them all and them publish them on a news thread. That way we avoid several issues, like having the comments spread between here and the news thread, having lots of individual files and versions for each, people having to check for each new map, and the first and last map submitted being a bit forgotten. It's nothing big, but i was curious as of why in the last 3 speedmap sessions it was done like this. OK, guys. I'm and Digs talked and decided that I will make a package and publish the news about this event within 1-2 hours.
Your map reminds me of that map by Markus Klar, from 1997 or something like that... I think it was named "a fly".
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