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Q1SP: Of Three Plantagenets By Ubiquitous
This is a new mini-episode consisting of three maps plus a custom start map.

Download from Quaketastic here:
http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/e1ubi_plantegenets_v1_1.zip

A Quaddicted link is pending.

Screenshots can be viewed here:
https://ubiquitousgame.wordpress.com/2019/07/29/quake-min-episode-of-three-plantagenets/
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Very Nice Mini Episode 
good new maps, but why You decide to remove incredible symphony of science? 
 
I'm not sure I understand. Symphony of Science is available here:

https://www.quaddicted.com/reviews/symphony_v101.html

Thanks for the comments! 
 
I played some time ago previous version where Symphony of Science was second or third map. First map was the same. Will there be a sequel? 
 
It's true that an early beta version has Symphony of Science. But I took it out of the final release because a bunch of people have already played that map and I thought they'd be mad if I made them play it again just to progress through the episode. 
 
Great level design, some nice original designs in places. I like your take on the Honey theme in map 2. Also found your placement of dogs excellent on more than one occasion, like when I was dropping down a dark chute from a secret only to get mauled from behind. Not a fan of the random monster spawning or the imposing renaissance textures in map 1. Overall a very high quality release. 
Good Stuff! 
Played through a couple of hours ago: https://youtu.be/2LEWsZHXHzU 
 
Thanks both for playing and sharing your comments; thanks for the playthrough video @Auhsan. Impressive work in the finale!

@maiden: you liked exactly the things I thought people might find annoying, and disliked the things I thought people would like most ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 
Update With Bug Fixes 
Here is an updated version with a bug fix (file name capitalisation for Linux):

http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/e1ubi_plantegenets_v1_2.zip 
 
Ubiquitous, thanks for this. I've uploaded my first-run demos here. The demos are protocol 666 (QuakeSpasm default), Hard skill, playing your v1.1 release.

I was pretty tired when I played, and my play in the demos isn't the best. I was enticed by the screenshots showing those sinister old artworks transplanted into the Quake universe, which is a really cool concept, and made me want to play through this despite the late hour.

I had good fun with the first and third maps. But I'm sorry to say there was one thing which really spoiled the second map for me. It's the fact that this release implements proportional fall-damage for the player, but it doesn't communicate this change to the player up-front.

To illustrate why this was such a problem, I'll explain what was going through my head while I was recording the demos.

I recorded three demos for the second map:

* e1m2ubi_iw1.dem is my first and second attempts. During the first attempt, I quickly died by accidentally backing into a bottomless pit. Ignore that. During the second attempt, I made it all the way to the tall elevator near the end. At the top of the elevator, the two Scrags were firing at me, so to avoid their attacks, I jumped off the top of the elevator, expecting that I'd survive the fall (because Quake doesn't have proportional fall-damage). But when I died from the fall, I assumed that I must have had 5 or less health before I jumped (because Quake doesn't have proportional fall-damage). So I still wasn't any the wiser.

* e1m2ubi_iw2.dem is my third attempt. This time, I reached the top of the elevator again, and killed the two Scrags. I then failed to make the jump onto the very thin metal bar, and got insta-killed by fall-damage. However, I had no reason to expect that failing that jump would be fatal (because Quake doesn't have proportional fall-damage), so I didn't save before attempting the jump. So when I got insta-killed, I had to start over from the beginning again. That was pretty frustrating.

* e1m2ubi_iw3.dem is my fourth attempt. From my previous death, I realised that proportional fall-damage was in effect, and played accordingly, and made it to the end.

My tl;dr advice would be: if you're changing the rules of a game that your player is already familiar with, and if that change might lead to confusion and frustration, please communicate the change clearly to the player up-front! =P

Even with something abstract like changing fall-damage, there are ways this could be communicated to the player in advance, during gameplay. For example: an early situation could be included where QuakeGuy has to carefully get down from a lethal height. When the player approaches the edge, a message could be displayed like "Hmm, I won't be able to survive that fall."

Anyhow. Please don't be discouraged by the fact that I've spent this post mostly grumbling about one thing. Apart from that, I had a good time playing. There was some really nice atmosphere in these maps. I hope the demos give an idea of how I fared with the rest of the episode. I'll certainly re-play this at some point, on Nightmare, and try to find the secrets I missed. 
 
iw, thanks for this. Some earlier testers also complained about the fall damage so I decided to reset it to the default behaviour with capped damage. But I left a stray line of code in place which is why the damage still ended up being non-standard in the version you played.

I fiexd this bug in a new release: http://www.quaketastic.com/files/single_player/maps/e1ubi_plantegenets_v1_3.zip 
Love The Honey Take In Map 2 
And the dogs setup are nice too!
Keep on mapping! 
That Map 1 Secret! 
Ubiquitous, good call on putting the fall damage back to normal -- I wouldn't have laboured the point so much in my last post if I'd known that was already your intention. =P

Also, I finally found the secret in Map 1 when replaying it. I don't want to spoil the surprise for others, but I will say it's the rare case of a secret which is very difficult to find and yet felt 100% worth the effort! 
Congratulations! 
Excellent brushwork and detailing in ways I don't think I've seen anyone do with Quake. At times it felt more like Thief 3 or something. Also really strong visual variety between levels while still feeling like a unified build style.

Some gripes with gameplay and combat while precision platforming, though.

Here's my blind playthrough with commentary: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/466922549 
 
Thanks Mclogenon, it's a great playthrough and I learnt a lot from listening.

There are a few points I can speak to.

All of the textures are on palette. Photoshop's dithering algorithms work wonders, provided you pick an original image that isn't too far off-palette to begin with.

The blocks in the halway on map 1 might look like a bit of a chore to build, but that's okay because I didn't build them. I have some scientific computing software called Wolfram Mathematica that I use for my research and which has its own scripting language. I wrote a simple script to convert height-map bmps into the stepped terrain you saw, so I can actually build that terrain very quickly indeed. You were right to guess that it was inspired by the Giant's Causeway. But the square brushes allow a 1:1 mapping from the square pixel grid of the height map. A gexagonal brush construction would require a more complicated geometric transformation from the rectangular pixel grid into a hexagonal grid for the brushes; I was too lazy for that. But I agree it would look cool.

You were right that the Plantagenets were a dynasty of English kings during the middle ages. The titles of the three maps together with the title of the episode itself all form a reference to one of my other loves in life. But I leave that reference as a puzzle for everyone to work out.

I'm impressed that you recognised David's rendition of Marat. I saw the original in Brussels and it was quite stunning.

I made the library chair in map 3 illusory to avoid the player getting stuck on it in the finale battle. I decided the weirdness of having a chair you could clip into was worth it to avoid a frustrating snag during that fight.

Probably the most contentious part of the whole episode is at the top of the lift on map 2. I think this is a case where I had a grand vision that didn't map onto the way people would experience the level. I wanted to make a cool moment of vertiginous tension where, knowing how high they have come, the player finds themself on the precipice's edge. This was inspired by a part of Bloodborne that really made my skin tingle, where the player must traverse some rafters in a huge library with a very big fall below them. I guess the sensation didn't translate as well as I had hoped to Quake.

I think it's fair to say the art was put before game play. I'm still learning the craft of encounter design (thanks for the great article about door bottlenecks, by the way). I have a habit of building by improvisation rather than planning my map flow, which doesn't help. For now, i compensate with my increasingly baroque brushwork.

Thanks again for playing! 
Gameplay Is Nice 
but the visuals are all over.
Feels like made by a colorblind.
Textures clashing all over, sorry this looks so weird in places i quit.
The limitations in quakes pallette dont mean you can go overboard with them, you have to choose wisely.
My eyes hurt with all those blue brown red things all over. 
 
kiooter can you post a screenshot of what you mean? I don't recognise your description of "blue brown red things all over". Unless you are seriously exaggerating, it sounds like you have a bug somewhere.

Indeed, I think anyone looking at the screenshots here would think the colour tones pretty typical for a Quake map: https://ubiquitousgame.wordpress.com/2019/07/29/quake-min-episode-of-three-plantagenets/#jp-carousel-428 
 
Or if you can't post a screenshot you can suggest a timestamp from Mclogenon's video that you think looks like it was designed by a colour blind person so I can see which part of the level you don't like: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/466922549 
 
Probably just didn't like some of your custom textures, like the mahogany wood. I say good on you for deviating from the standard palette and trying new visual styles. I guess some people are so set in their ways that seeing a different tone of brown throws them off their seat. 
 
Perhaps you're right, maiden. Honestly, I am not too bothered if people don't like the maps (if anything, I think some are being too kind given how great some other people's maps are!).

But I know the community has gotten a bit of an undeserved reputation for toxicity and childishness. So if someone says "your map looks like it was designed by a colorblind [person]" or "[your map made] my eyes hurt" then I feel like asking that they explain themselves in a way that does not involve hyperbole.

Constructive criticism is always more than welcome. 
If I Was Toxic I Apoligize 
As i said, the gameplay was spot on.
But the visuals were just to colorful for my taste.
For example at 1:42 in the stream, there are two brick textures right next to each other which represent totally different styles imo. Blue and brown.
The brushwork around 13:13 is awesome.
Around 21:55 there is another mashup of totally different sets i dont like that much.
In the end one cannot argue about taste at all i guess.
Still liked it, and keep on making maps! 
 
Hi kiooter, thanks for coming back to explain. I'm sorry you didn't like the style. You're right, of course, there's no accounting for taste. I made things in the style I like but you're obviously under no obligation to like them.

Thanks for playing and for the comments. 
 
OK, I've only played the first map so far, but I wanted to comment on it while it's fresh in my head.

I really enjoyed it. Yeah that particular brick juxtaposition mentioned above is a little off :-) but largely it's a good-looking and interesting environment.

It gave me an odd but nice feeling of a very old-school and new-school map at the same time. Old-school because of some of the narrow doors and hallways (and generally more Quakeguy-sized scale to places and objects), thin supports/rails here and there, and some plain square tunnels. New-school because of the cool bits of surreal "field of squares" brushwork. And:

The use of textures showing some old-master paintings was an interesting choice. It sounds like you have something thematic up your sleeve w.r.t. those, but I just liked the way they both fit into the atmosphere and also "popped", even if they didn't make much sense as diagetic pictures in the environment. Choosing paintings that are strongly about the use of light brought some interesting lighting effects into those rooms -- psychologically anyway, since I don't think you actually added any light entities to reflect what was going on in the paintings.

Anyway, it's fun to run through a quality creation that was driven by a slightly off-the-Quake-mainstream vision. As I mentioned above, the detailing was uneven, but some rooms were pretty nice and I expect you'll find a consistent level. FWIW I don't mind the narrow hallways when used appropriately -- and I think that e.g. zombie-grenading in narrow hallways is fine and good -- but narrow doorways I am less keen on.

On to the next maps soon. :-) 
 
Finished map 2. Fun use of scale! It felt like a pretty epic journey/escape.

I'm glad you had patched out the extra falling damage. :-)

A couple of critiques:

1) I don't mind and can even enjoy some first-person platforming, but I think it's a faux pas (particularly in Quake) to require the player to _land_ in a fiddly way, i.e. to have a small target zone that can be overshot with really bad consequences. The fun in Quake-style platforming IMO is figuring out a route and then in executing the take-off in the right direction, but controlling the length of the jump super-precisely can be more frustrating.

(Having gaps to fall into as you get off a lift is also pretty bad.)

2) A small thing, but: I think you should make more use of "rotted" health packs. When I'm getting chip damage as I go along it can almost feel unsatisfying to only have full health packs available to use. 
 
An excellent map trio. Nice layouts with a classic quake feel. Here's my playthrough with my thoughts: Video Playthrough 
 
Third one completed. I'm not going to type a lot this time, but yeah more good work... you've got a real talent for presenting the feel of a journey through a gigantic but knowable space. A little bit of backtracking (with new monster spawn breadcrumbs), a little bit of paths crossing over each other, it almost all works really well and I feel that Quakeguy's fitbit is setting new personal bests for his step-counts.

Keep it up! 
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