Func_Msgboard: Can We Future-proof Quake?

Posted by dumptruck_ds on 2017/08/10 01:46:40

I'm not the only one on func who plays Quake at a 144hz refresh rate. We can debate all day whether that's necessary but that's my thing. I see a big difference both on the desktop and in games at 144. But designing my own maps and now with jam9 I am experiencing issues that basically break the game.

In Breezeep's map Mensis Keep, if you watch my demos I take an elevator up and hit an invisible barrier multiple times. I didn't immediately realize what was going on but it was the physics wigging out and it was nearly game breaking for me. I figured out the less I moved on the elevator the more luck I had avoiding the problem. I had to rework a significant set piece in a WIP as it was a fast moving train that kept gibbing me randomly. Only later did I realize this was due to having HOST_MAXFPS set higher than 72.

It's my opinion that we're going to see more and more of this as time wears on. The 1/2 dozen or so younger gamers I know (thanks to my teenaged kids) all want or have 120hz monitors or above.

I also want to note how old and problematic Wally and TexMex are. They work but how long will it be before they are obsolete?

I think it's time we start the discussion of how to future-proof Quake source ports.

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FTE-Quake

#26 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2017/08/12 06:46:32

Tried this. Impressive overall but the audio is super annoying for me compared to QS. It sounds too crisp and artifact-y. I'll have to keep experimenting to get it right. I didn't know it was updated so regularly.

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#27 posted by Spike on 2017/08/13 06:34:45

try disabling OpenAL (ie: pick a dsound device in the menus), unfortunately its enabled by default.

FTE-Quake

#28 posted by dumptruck_ds on 2017/08/17 19:08:57

I loaded up jam9 in a recent build of FTE-Quake (July?) and there were missing skyboxes and other weird issues. Most prominently in Ionous' map but others as well.

I figured out the sound issue. I am so used to 11k audio when the sample rate is raised it sounds too crispy for my taste. There are quite a few things I do like about FTE - I will keep fiddling but shouldn't skyboxes and the like "just work" out of the box?

#29 posted by oh, that person on 2017/08/17 19:11:32

Can't wait for the "fte is too advanced for your pleb maps" response from Spike.

Shouldnt You Be At Your Nazi Rally Right Now

#30 posted by anonymous user on 2017/08/17 23:46:38

Finger My Auschwitz

#31 posted by oh, that person on 2017/08/18 00:26:48

#32 posted by Spike on 2017/08/20 06:07:05

@dumptruck_ds
jam9_ionous's skybox works fine for me - but only if I actually remember to use the -quoth argument/gamedir.
jam9_otp is a pleb map that specifies a skybox which isn't valid. FTE responds by giving a fallback skybox (ask for one, get one - even if the textures arn't installed).
FTE is too advanced for such pleb maps... :P

I'll see what I can do about disabling skybox forcing on missing textures, it'll probably hurt load times though :(
/me ignores otp's intro area on account of its zfighting in other engines also.

#33 posted by oh, that person on 2017/08/20 15:03:22

So you're saying it's impossible in FTE for the mapper to willingly switch from a static skybox to the default scrolling skybox and FTE will instead impose its own "solution".

Congratulations, I don't think even DarkPlaces is this retarded.

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#34 posted by Spike on 2017/08/20 20:45:10

My stance is that if you do something retarded like using a skybox that doesn't exist then you shouldn't be surprised when you get a retarded response.

In other news:
save skybreaker; load skybreaker
and the sky is indeed broken.
Dynamically switching skyboxes is flawed regardless of engine - at least FTE provides the possibility of custom shaders which avoids the whole saved game/closed-source mod issue.
Whereas at best QS gives error messages and saved games with the wrong skies, but for some reason you're okay with those retarded things. :(

Huh?

#35 posted by mh on 2017/08/20 21:29:34

Loathe as I am to agree with OTP, I always thought the expected behaviour was loadsky with an invalid name would drop you back to the old style scrolling sky.

#36 posted by oh, that person on 2017/08/20 21:33:12

I direct you to post #31.

#37 posted by im gay but quake 2 is fun on 2017/10/21 06:24:08

Well with Quake 2 any decent client nowadays separates physics and rendering framerate since Quakeulf mentioned it. Quakeworld client like EZquake are the same as far as I know and you just need Quakespasm to do the same.

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